Mr. KELLERMAN. If you will excuse me just a minute. I was trying to elaborate on the last question. Mr. SPECTER. Pardon me. Go ahead. Mr. KELLERMAN. Just for the record, I wish to have this down. While the President is in the morgue, he is lying flat. And with the part of the skull removed, and the hole in the throat, nobody was aware until they lifted him up that there was a hole in his shoulder. That was the first concrete evidence that they knew that the man was hit in the back first. Mr. SPECTER. When did they lift him up and first observe the hole in the shoulder? Mr. KELLERMAN. They had been working on him for quite some time, Mr. Specter--through the photos and other things they do through an autopsy. And I believe it was this Colonel Finck who raised him and there was a clean hole. Mr. SPECTER. What was said, if anything, by those present at the autopsy concerning the wound in the throat? Mr. KELLERMAN. To go back just a little further, the reason for the hole in the throat, the tracheotomy; I am thinking they were of the opinion that when the--when he was shot in the head, and they had found this piece remaining above the eye underneath; I am sure there was some concern as to where the outlet was, and whether they considered--this is all an assumption now; whether they considered this--that there was a hole here in the throat prior to the tracheotomy, I don't know. But to complete the examination, they lifted him up by the shoulders, and there was this hole. Now, I think you asked me a question. Could you repeat it, please? Mr. SPECTER. Well, let's be sure that we have your final answer on the question of any conversation at all about a point of entry in the front part of his body, in his throat, or any place else. Mr. KELLERMAN. I don't believe, Mr. Specter, that it was ever concluded that there was an entry in the front. Mr. SPECTER. Then that completes the conversations at the autopsy? Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. SPECTER. On any of the subjects I have asked you about? Mr. KELLERMAN. Right. Mr. SPECTER. The question which I had then started to ask you was whether you had any impression at the time of the second and third shots, which you described as a flurry of shots, as to the point of origin or source of those shots. Mr. KELLERMAN. The only answer I can give to that is that they would have to come from the rear. Mr. SPECTER. Well, is that the impression or reaction you had at the time of the flurry? Mr. KELLERMAN. That is right, sir. Mr. SPECTER. Have you ever, since the time of the assassination to this date, had any contrary impression, reaction, or view that the shots came from the front of the President? Mr. KELLERMAN. No. Mr. SPECTER. Now, Mr. Kellerman, with respect to the immediate reaction by you to the emergency situation, did you consider at any time leaving your seat, on the right front of the President's automobile, to go into the rear portion, where the President sat? Mr. KELLERMAN. No, sir.