Mr. SPECTER. Did you meet the President at Love Field? Mr. JACKSON. Yes, sir. Mr. SPECTER. And did you take photographs for your newspaper at Love Field? Mr. JACKSON. Yes, sir. Mr. SPECTER. Describe briefly your activities at Love Field on the morning of November 22, please. Mr. JACKSON. Well, we got there, I guess, 30, 40 minutes early. Mr. SPECTER. At about what time would that have been? Mr. JACKSON. I have to think to remember exactly what time, around 9, I guess, 9 to 9:15, I believe. And I took pictures there. There were other photographers from our paper there, our chief photographer. And we just took shots of the crowd, and waited for the President to arrive. And then when he did arrive, our chief photographer left and went directly to the Trade Mart and I got into the motorcade to ride to town. Mr. SPECTER. Do you know exactly which car you were in in the motorcade? Mr. JACKSON. We counted up, and it is either the seventh or eighth car. We said eighth car from the President, from the lead car. Mr. SPECTER. When you say we counted up, whom do you mean? Mr. JACKSON. The photographers in the car. As we left Love Field, we were trying to figure how far back we were and we all decided it was the eighth car. Mr. SPECTER. Can you reconstruct that count for us which provided the basis for your conclusion that you were in the seventh or eighth car. For example, how many cars ahead of you was the President's car or the Vice President's car, if you can recollect, please. Mr. JACKSON. Let me think a minute. I know there was a photographer's car directly in front of us which I believe had some of the local press. It was a convertible. Then in front were, I believe, two or three cars carrying the press, the White House press, and then President Johnson, I guess would be in the next car, and then the President in the lead car, or the next car, and I believe there was another car in the lead. Mr. SPECTER. So as you recollect the scene there was the lead and immediately behind the lead car, whose car? Mr. JACKSON. The President's, I believe. Mr. SPECTER. And then immediately behind the President's whose car? Mr. JACKSON. The Vice President's. Mr. SPECTER. And immediately to the rear of the Vice President's car? Mr. JACKSON. Press vehicles and I was told it was the White House press, two or three cars. Mr. SPECTER. And then there was one car filled with photographers? Mr. JACKSON. Directly in front of us. Mr. SPECTER. Between your car and the cars which you believe to have been filled with White House newsmen? Mr. JACKSON. Yes, sir. The CHAIRMAN. Wasn't there a Secret Service car directly behind the President's car? Mr. JACKSON. Yes, sir. The CHAIRMAN. Between it and the Vice President's car? Mr. JACKSON. Yes, sir; that is right. Mr. SPECTER. Wasn't there a Secret Service car immediately behind the Vice President's car, if you know?