Mr. ROWLAND. This was very odd. There were--this picture was not taken immediately after that, I don't think, because there were several windows, there are pairs of windows, and there were several pairs where both windows were open fully and in each pair there was one or more persons hanging out the window. Yet this was on the west corner of the building, the sixth floor, the first floor--second floor down from the top, the first was the arched, the larger windows, not the arch, but the larger windows, and this was the only pair of windows where both windows were completely open and no one was hanging out the windows, or next to the window. It was this pair of windows here at that time. Mr. SPECTER. All right. Will you mark that pair of windows with a circle? (Witness marking.) Mr. SPECTER. What is your best recollection as to how far each of those windows were open? Mr. ROWLAND. To the fullest extent that they could be opened. Mr. SPECTER. What extent would that be? Mr. ROWLAND. Being as I looked half frame windows, that would be halfway of the entire length of the window. Mr. SPECTER. Is that the approximate status of those windows depicted here in Exhibit 356? Mr. ROWLAND. Yes. Mr. SPECTER. In which of those double windows did you see the man and rifle? Mr. ROWLAND. It was through the window to my right. Mr. SPECTER. Draw an arrow right into that window with the same black pencil please. (Witness marking.) Mr. SPECTER. How much, if any, or all of that rifle could you see? Mr. ROWLAND. All of it. Mr. SPECTER. You could see from the base of the stock down to the tip of the end of the rifle? Mr. ROWLAND. Yes. Mr. SPECTER. The barrel of the rifle? The CHAIRMAN. Congressman Ford, will you excuse me for just a few minutes to run across the street to my office. You conduct during my absence. Representative FORD. Will you proceed, Mr. Specter? Mr. SPECTER. What is your best estimate of the distance between where you were standing and the man holding the rifle whom you have just described? (The Chief Justice left the hearing room.) Mr. ROWLAND. 150 feet approximately, very possibly more. I don't know for sure. Mr. SPECTER. Are you very good at judging distances of that sort? Mr. ROWLAND. Fairly good. Mr. SPECTER. Have you had any experience or practice at judging such distances? Mr. ROWLAND. Yes. Even in using the method in physics or, you know, elementary physics of looking at a position in two different views, you can tell its distance. I did that quite frequently. And the best I can recollect it was within 150 to 175 feet. Mr. SPECTER. Can you describe the rifle with any more particularity than you already have? Mr. ROWLAND. No. In proportion to the scope it appeared to me to be a .30-odd size 6, a deer rifle with a fairly large or powerful scope. Mr. SPECTER. When you say, .30-odd-6, exactly what did you mean by that? Mr. ROWLAND. That is a rifle that is used quite frequently for deer hunting. It is an import.