Mr. SPECTER. In addition to the times you have already stated, have you ever been interviewed by the FBI on any other occasion? Mr. ROWLAND. No, sir. Mr. SPECTER. Have you ever been interviewed by the Secret Service on any other occasion? Mr. ROWLAND. The afternoon of the 22d and the seventh time was the only two times of the Secret Service. Mr. SPECTER. There was a Secret Service agent present in the sheriff's office? Mr. ROWLAND. Yes; he was Agent Sorrels. Mr. SPECTER. When you gave the affidavit which we have identified as Commission Exhibit 357? Mr. ROWLAND. Yes. Mr. SPECTER. In addition to the times you have mentioned, have you ever been interviewed by any agent or representative of the Federal Government? Mr. ROWLAND. No, sir; I have not. Mr. SPECTER. Have you been interviewed by any other agent or representative of the State Government of Texas? Mr. ROWLAND. No, sir. Mr. SPECTER. Now, on any of the other occasions, other than those you testified about, did you mention seeing the Negro gentleman in the window which we have circled with the "A"? Mr. ROWLAND. No, sir. Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Rowland, what was the quality of your grades in high school? Mr. ROWLAND. Well, up until my senior year they were 4.0 straight A's, in my senior year I got a couple of B's. Mr. SPECTER. Do you know what your IQ or intelligence quotient is? Mr. ROWLAND. 147. Mr. SPECTER. Do you know when you were tested for that? Mr. ROWLAND. In 1963; in May. Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Rowland, a couple of other questions. Are you able to give us any other type of a description of the Negro gentleman whom you observed in the window we marked "A" with respect to height, weight, age? Mr. ROWLAND. He was very thin, an elderly gentleman, bald or practically bald, very thin hair if he wasn't bald. Had on a plaid shirt. I think it was red and green, very bright color, that is why I remember it. Mr. SPECTER. Can you give us an estimate as to age? Mr. ROWLAND. Fifty; possibly 55 or 60. Mr. SPECTER. Can you give us an estimate as to height? Mr. ROWLAND. 5'8", 5'10", in that neighborhood. He was very slender, very thin. Mr. SPECTER. Can you give us a more definite description as to complexion? Mr. ROWLAND. Very dark or fairly dark, not real dark compared to some Negroes, but fairly dark. Seemed like his face was either--I can't recall detail but it was either very wrinkled or marked in some way. Mr. SPECTER. Shortly after the assassination and before these interviews that you described were completed, Mr. Rowland, had you learned or heard that the shots were supposed to have come out of the window which we have marked with the "A"? Mr. ROWLAND. No, sir. I did not know that, in fact until Saturday when I read the paper. Mr. SPECTER. Which Saturday is that? Mr. ROWLAND. The following Saturday. Mr. SPECTER. Would that be the second day, the day after the assassination? Mr. ROWLAND. Yes.