Mr. ROWLAND. I did, but almost immediately everyone started laughing so I did not give it any further consideration until the second shot, second report. Senator COOPER. At the time you saw a man standing near a window in the Texas School Book Depository with a rifle, can you state whether there were any, did you know whether or not any police officers were near you? Mr. ROWLAND. There was an officer about 20 feet to my left. Senator COOPER. Did you see any others? Mr. ROWLAND. There were officers all over, that was the closest one. There were four or five on the block across the street from me, two of them being with the boy who had the epileptic fit. There was also an officer in front of the doors to that building. There were several on the corners. I would say there were 20 uniformed officers right there in that 1-1/2-block area. Senator COOPER. Could any of the officers that you saw whose position you noted, have seen this window from the place where they were standing? Mr. ROWLAND. They could have; yes, sir. Senator COOPER. You don't remember whether any of them were looking up there? Mr. ROWLAND. No; I don't remember whether they were. No; I don't. Senator COOPER. Did it occur to you that you should speak to the officer about seeing a man in the window? Mr. ROWLAND. It has. Do you ever have reoccurring dreams, sir? Senator COOPER. What? Mr. ROWLAND. Do you ever have reoccurring dreams? Senator COOPER. Yes. Mr. ROWLAND. This is a reoccurring dream of mine, sir, all the time, what if I had told someone about it. I knew about it enough in advance and perhaps it could have been prevented. I mean this is something which shakes me up at times. Senator COOPER. I don't want to disturb you about that but my point was at the time did you--I think you said, though, you thought that he was a--he could have been a--Secret Service man, officer. Mr. ROWLAND. Yes; that is right. Senator COOPER. That is all. The CHAIRMAN. Anything further, Congressman Ford? Representative FORD. Mr. Rowland, have you ever had occasion to go back to the scene and reconstruct it? Have you ever gone back---- The CHAIRMAN. Supposing we take a few minutes recess. Mr. ROWLAND. The answer to that question is yes; I do all the time. I pass that area very frequently. The CHAIRMAN. Any other questions, gentlemen, Mr. Wright? Mr. WRIGHT. No, Your Honor. The CHAIRMAN. Very well, Mr. Rowland, I want to thank you for coming here and cooperating with the Commission. I know that this is a matter that recalls very sordid thoughts to your mind, and I can see how you would be somewhat distressed about it but you have been very frank and cooperative with us and I appreciate it. We will take a short recess. (Short recess.) TESTIMONY OF JAMES RICHARD WORRELL, JR. The CHAIRMAN. All right. Will you raise your right hand and be sworn, please?