Mr. WORRELL. Yes, and I rested there, I was out of breath, I smoke too much, short winded. Mr. SPECTER. Will you mark that "Y" where you stopped and rested and tell us how long you stopped there? (Witness marking.) Mr. WORRELL. How long? Mr. SPECTER. Yes, sir. Mr. WORRELL. I was there approximately 3 minutes before I saw this man come out the back door here. Mr. SPECTER. All right. Now will you put a "Z" where you first saw the man whom you have just described or mentioned? Mr. WORRELL. It is here I am pretty sure, I am not positive. (Witness marking.) Mr. SPECTER. You are pretty sure--but you can't be positive--but you are pretty sure? Mr. WORRELL. Yes. Mr. SPECTER. Okay. Now, describe as best you can the man whom you have testified you saw at point "Z." Mr. WORRELL. Describe his appearance? Mr. SPECTER. Yes. Start by telling us how tall he was, to the best of your ability to recollect and estimate? Mr. WORRELL. To the--it is going to be within 3 inches, 5-7 to 5-10. Mr. SPECTER. What is your best estimate as to his weight? Mr. WORRELL. 155 to 165. Mr. SPECTER. What is your best estimate as to his height? Mr. WORRELL. 5-7, 5-10. Mr. SPECTER. Pardon me, your best estimate as to his age. Mr. WORRELL. Well, the way he was running, I would say he was in his late twenties or middle--I mean early thirties. Because he was fast moving on. Mr. SPECTER. Of what race was he? Mr. WORRELL. White. Mr. SPECTER. Can you describe the characteristics of his hair? Mr. WORRELL. Black. Mr. SPECTER. Did he have---- Mr. WORRELL. Well, I will say brunette. Mr. SPECTER. Did he have a full head of hair, a partial head of hair, or what? Mr. WORRELL. Well, see, I didn't see his face, I just saw the back of his head and it was full in the back. I don't know what the front looked like. But it was full in the back. Mr. SPECTER. What clothes did the man have on? Mr. WORRELL. Dark, like a jacket like that. Mr. SPECTER. Indicating a dark gray jacket? Mr. WORRELL. No, no. It was a jacket like that. Mr. SPECTER. A suit jacket? Mr. WORRELL. Yes. Mr. SPECTER. Or was it a sports jacket? Mr. WORRELL. Sports jacket. Mr. SPECTER. Did not have on matching coat and trousers? Mr. WORRELL. No. Mr. SPECTER. Was it dark in color or light? Mr. WORRELL. It was dark in color. I don't know whether it was blue, black, or brown, but it was dark, and he had light pants. And that is all I can say on his clothes, except his coat was open and kind of flapping back in the breeze when he was running. Mr. SPECTER. Now, are there any other distinguishing characteristics that you can describe about him? Mr. WORRELL. Not a thing. Mr. SPECTER. What did he---- Mr. WORRELL. He wasn't holding nothing when he was running. He was just running. Mr. SPECTER. What did you observe him do, if anything? Mr. WORRELL. Well, when he ran out here, he ran along the side of the Depository Building and then when he got----