Mr. EUINS. It was sticking out about that much. Mr. SPECTER. About 14 or 15 inches? Mr. EUINS. Yes, sir. And then after I seen it sticking out, after awhile, that is when I heard the shot, and everybody started looking around. Mr. SPECTER. At that time, Amos, did you see anything besides the end of the pipe? Mr. EUINS. No, sir. Mr. SPECTER. For example, you didn't see anything about a stock or any other part of the rifle? Mr. EUINS. No, sir--not with the first shot. You see, the President was still right along down in here somewhere on the first shot. Mr. SPECTER. Now, when you saw it on the first occasion, did you think it was a rifle then? Or did that thought enter your mind? Mr. EUINS. No, sir; I wasn't thinking about it then. But when I was looking at it, when he shot, it sounded like a high-powered rifle, after I listened to it awhile, because I had been in the NDCC for about a year. Mr. SPECTER. What is NDCC? Mr. EUINS. We call it a military army for the boys, at our school. Mr. SPECTER. Is that ROTC? Mr. EUINS. Yes, sir. Mr. SPECTER. ROTC. And have you had any opportunity to fire a weapon in that ROTC class? Mr. EUINS. No, sir; not outside of just .22's. We fire them on the firing range. Mr. SPECTER. All right. Now, when you looked up at the rifle later, you described seeing some of the trigger part. Mr. EUINS. Yes, sir. Mr. SPECTER. Now, describe as fully as you can for us what you saw then, Amos. Mr. EUINS. Well, when he stuck it out, you know--after the President had come on down the street further, you know he kind of stuck it out more, you know. Mr. SPECTER. How far was it sticking out of the window would you say then, Amos? Mr. EUINS. I would say it was about something like that. Mr. SPECTER. Indicating about 3 feet? Mr. EUINS. You know--the trigger housing and stock and receiver group out the window. Mr. SPECTER. I can't understand you, Amos. Mr. EUINS. It was enough to get the stock and receiving house and the trigger housing to stick out the window. Mr. SPECTER. The stock and receiving house? Mr. EUINS. Yes. Mr. SPECTER. Now, what direction was the rifle pointing? Mr. EUINS. Down--what did you say--Elm? Mr. SPECTER. Elm Street? Mr. EUINS. Yes, sir; down Elm. Mr. SPECTER. Was it pointing in the direction of the President? Mr. EUINS. Yes, sir. Mr. SPECTER. Now, could you see anything else on the gun? Mr. EUINS. No, sir; I could not. Mr. SPECTER. For example, could you see whether or not there was a telescopic lens on the gun? Mr. EUINS. No, sir. Mr. SPECTER. Now, is there anything else about the gun that you can describe to us that you have not already told us about? Mr. EUINS. No, sir. Mr. SPECTER. Now, what kind of a look, if any, did you have at the man who was there? Mr. EUINS. All I got to see was the man with a spot in his head, because he had his head something like this. Mr. SPECTER. Indicating his face down, looking down the rifle?