As I said earlier, the weather was clearing in Fort Worth; it was going to be a nice day. I asked Mr. Kenneth O'Donnell, who is President Kennedy's appointment secretary: "Mr. O'Donnell," I said, "the weather; it is slightly raining in Dallas, predictions of clearing up. Do you desire to have the bubbletop on the President's car or do you, or would you desire to have it removed for this parade over to the Trade Mart?" His instructions to me were, "If the weather is clear and it is not raining, have that bubbletop off," and that is exactly what I relayed to Mr. Lawson. Mr. SPECTER. Now, at about what time did President Kennedy depart from Fort Worth? Mr. KELLERMAN. We were airborne from Fort Worth at 11:20 in the morning. Mr. SPECTER. In what plane were you airborne? Mr. KELLERMAN. In the President's special plane, sir. Mr. SPECTER. What time did you arrive in that plane in Dallas? Mr. KELLERMAN. We arrived in Dallas, Love Field, at 11:40 a.m. Mr. SPECTER. Describe in a general way what President Kennedy's activities were at Love Field, please. Mr. KELLERMAN. Very well. May I add this: Again I said there were two planes in this program. The then Vice President Johnson would be in a separate plane. He would land ahead of us by a minute or two, all right. He is in Dallas by the time we arrive at 11:40 a.m. As we are spotted on the apron at Love Field and when the ramp is pulled forward, the Vice President, then Vice President Johnson and Mrs. Johnson, together with a selected group of people would form a reception committee from the end of the ramp straight out to where the motorcade was in place. At 11:40, as I said, the President and Mrs. Kennedy left that plane, met these people. As we finished greeting these folks here, there was an elderly lady wheeled up in a wheelchair; her name I do not know; the both of them met her. By this time the people are starting to get in their automobiles for this trip into town. The President then noticed that there was quite a gathering of people at this airport in back of a fenced area, and, with her, they both walked over to this crowded area and started shaking hands and greeting these people who had been there perhaps some time before we got in. Mr. SPECTER. By "her", who do you mean, sir? Mr. KELLERMAN. Mrs. Kennedy; I am sorry. Mr. SPECTER. What would you estimate the crowd to be? Mr. KELLERMAN. In the thousands; I would say there were two, three, four thousand people there. Mr. SPECTER. Approximately how long did the greeting of the crowd at Love Field last, Mr. Kellerman? Mr. KELLERMAN. Fifteen minutes. The motorcade left Love Field at 11:55. Mr. SPECTER. Approximately how many cars were there in that motorcade? Mr. KELLERMAN. At least 15. Mr. SPECTER. What was the first car in line? Mr. KELLERMAN. The first car in line, sir, was what we call the police pilot car. The duties of these police officers in that car--they would drive ahead.