Mrs. PAINE. I would be absolutely certain I had never heard the name from either of the Oswalds. Mr. JENNER. All right. Is that likewise true of Paul Gregory who is the son I may tell you of Peter Gregory? Mrs. PAINE. I am not familiar with that name. Mr. JENNER. Mr. and Mrs., I know you are familiar with this name, Mr. and Mrs. Declan Ford. When did you first hear of the name of those people with respect to November 22, 1963, before or after or on that very day? Mrs. PAINE. Mrs. Ford was mentioned to me by name by Marina in the fall of 1963 before the time of the assassination. Marina described to me a party at Mrs. Ford's home, and described the decor of the house and how much she admired Mrs. Ford's tastes, and said that Mrs. Ford had done most of the decorating herself. Let me just say Marina also told me she had stayed at someone's home in the fall of 1962, but she did not tell me the name of Mrs. Ford in that connection. It came up in this other connection. It is only since the assassination that I learned she had stayed briefly at Mrs. Ford's. Mr. JENNER. I see. That is the extent of your information with respect to the Fords at least up to November 22? Mrs. PAINE. Up to the time of the assassination that is the extent of it. Mr. JENNER. I wish to be certain of this and I don't recall whether I asked you and, therefore, I will risk repetition. Did Marina and Lee, with you or even without you, visit any people, to your knowledge, while Marina was living with you in the fall of 1963, just social visit, go out and make a social visit? Mrs. PAINE. No. Mr. JENNER. I meant to include whether either together as a couple or separately. Mrs. PAINE. I recall no such visit. Mr. JENNER. I think your testimony was when Lee Oswald came home on the weekends, from what you have described he remained on the premises? Mrs. PAINE. Yes. Mr. JENNER. With the possible exception of one instance when he went off and bought some groceries or am I wrong about that exception? Mrs. PAINE. He went with my children to buy some popsicles while I was teaching a student, so I was not at home that time. Mr. JENNER. All right. We have a report, Mrs. Paine, and you might help us with it on this subject, of a barber in your community, who recounts to the FBI that in his opinion Lee Harvey Oswald or what he thinks a gentleman who was that man, came to his shop reasonably regularly and had a haircut on Saturday, on Saturdays, and accompanying him was what he judged to be a 14-year-old boy. Do you recall Lee Oswald ever obtaining a haircut over any weekend while he was at your home? Mrs. PAINE. No. Mr. JENNER. To the best of your recollection, subject to his being off the premises while you were away shopping, it is your present firm recollection he never left the premises once he arrived, save this one instance that you knew of when he went to get popsicles? Mrs. PAINE. Of course, I was away during that instance. Mr. JENNER. You were?