Mr. JENNER. He is--what is his position with the University of Pennsylvania. He has a position with the University of Pennsylvania Music Department, has he not? Mrs. PAINE. He is the curator, the head man, as I understand it. Mr. JENNER. You are acquainted with his wife Penelope? Mrs. PAINE. I am. Mr. JENNER. Does Penelope speak Russian fluently? Mrs. PAINE. She has a very good command of the language. I think she has not had very much opportunity to use it in speech. Mr. JENNER. Have you had occasion to inquire of Mrs. Rainey as to whether she might assist you with your Russian studies? Mrs. PAINE. Well, there was never any discussion of assisting me in the role of tutor. She did some years ago loan me a record which I taped that was in Russian, and we visited this fall as part of my trip in the east. Mr. JENNER. You mean, summer, not fall. Mrs. PAINE. Well, it was, yes, August probably or early September that I saw her. Mr. JENNER. And you do recall during the course of your summer trip before you went, that is you wound up in New Orleans from that trip? Mrs. PAINE. Yes. Mr. JENNER. So we are talking about the same trip. Mrs. PAINE. That is the same trip. Mr. JENNER. You did see her? Mrs. PAINE. I did. Mr. JENNER. Where in Philadelphia? Mrs. PAINE. At her home. Mr. JENNER. Where is her home? Mrs. PAINE. Her home is not far from the residence where I was staying in Paoli. It is suburban Philadelphia. Mr. JENNER. Did you have occasion then to report to her that--about Marina? Mrs. PAINE. Yes; I did. Mr. JENNER. And advise her in that respect, that she was married to an American who is now residing in New Orleans? Mrs. PAINE. Yes. Mr. JENNER. Did you say to her that the, I will call the, lady, Marina, but it is stated differently here, appeared to be having marital difficulties with her husband. Mrs. PAINE. Yes. Mr. JENNER. And would you state what your remarks were to Mrs. Rainey in that connection? That is the treatment of Marina by Lee? Mrs. PAINE. I don't recall exactly what I said as to the treatment, but that Marina was unhappy, and that I thought she should have some alternative to living with him, and that I would probably, when down there, offer for her to live at my home. She asked me what Michael thought of that, and I said we had discussed it but that Michael and I were not living together, and this was news to Mrs. Rainey, and concerned her deeply. And I said that I was lonely. I recall one important thing in what I said to Mrs. Rainey, that I never said in conversation to anyone else, that I was worried about offending Lee, that if offended, or if he felt I was taking his wife or not doing what he wanted in the situation, that he might be angry with me, and that I didn't want to subject myself or my children to possible harm from him.