Mr. NORMAN. I can't remember who ate in the lunchroom, I mean the domino room, with me. Mr. BALL. Did some other employees eat there? Mr. NORMAN. I think there was someone else in there because we usually played dominoes in there but that particular day we didn't play that morning. Mr. BALL. Why didn't you play that morning? Mr. NORMAN. Well, didn't nobody show up there to play like the guys usually come in to play. Mr. BALL. You usually play dominoes during the noon hour? Mr. NORMAN. Noon hour and the break period. Mr. BALL. After you ate your lunch, what did you do? Mr. NORMAN. I got with James Jarman, he and I got together on the first floor. Mr. BALL. Where was James Jarman when you got together with him? Mr. NORMAN. He was somewhere in the vicinity of the telephone, I believe. I am not for sure. Mr. BALL. Out near the bins? Mr. NORMAN. Yes. Mr. BALL. What do you call James Jarman? Mr. NORMAN. Junior. Mr. BALL. And you and Junior did what? Mr. NORMAN. We went outside. Mr. BALL. You went out the front door, did you? Mr. NORMAN. Yes. Mr. BALL. That is the Elm Street? Mr. NORMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Where did you stand? Mr. NORMAN. We stood on the Elm Street sidewalk. Mr. BALL. On the sidewalk? Mr. NORMAN. Yes. We didn't go any further than that point. Mr. BALL. What time was it that you went out there? Mr. NORMAN. Oh, I would say, I don't know exactly, around 12 or 12:10, something like that. Mr. BALL. Who was standing with you when you were standing on the sidewalk, on the Elm Street sidewalk? Mr. NORMAN. I remember it was Danny Arce. Mr. BALL. And who else? Mr. NORMAN. I remember seeing Mr. Truly and Mr. Campbell. They were standing somewhere behind us, not exactly behind us but they were back of us. Mr. BALL. Anybody else? Mr. NORMAN. Well, I believe Billy Lovelady, I think. He was sitting on the steps there. Mr. BALL. He was? Mr. NORMAN. Yes. That is about all the employees I remember seeing out there. There were more people out there. Mr. BALL. Did you stay there? Mr. NORMAN. Well, we stayed there I believe until we got the news that the motorcade was coming down, let's see, is that Commerce, no Main, because Commerce--we went back in the building, James Jarman and I. Mr. BALL. Where did you go when you went in the building? Mr. NORMAN. We got the east elevator. No; the west. Mr. BALL. The west elevator? Mr. NORMAN. The west elevator. And went to the fifth floor. Mr. BALL. The west elevator is the one you use the push button on? Mr. NORMAN. Yes; the one you pull the gate. Mr. BALL. That is right. It is a push button elevator. Mr. NORMAN. Yes. Mr. BALL. And you went up to the fifth floor? Mr. NORMAN. Fifth floor. Mr. BALL. Why did you go to the fifth floor?