Mr. BELIN. Let me ask you this, Mr. Truly. I note on Exhibit 362 right where you came in there appears to be some stairs there. Why didn't you go up those stairs, instead of running to the back? Mr. TRULY. Those stairs only reached to the second floor, and they wouldn't have any way of getting up to the top without going to the back stairway. Mr. BELIN. All right. Mr. TRULY. So this is the logical stairway that goes all the way to the seventh floor. Mr. BELIN. And you are pointing to the stairway in what would be the northwest corner? Mr. TRULY. That is right. Mr. BELIN. Now, you got to the elevator, and what did you do then? Mr. TRULY. I looked up. This is two elevators in the same well. This elevator over here---- Mr. BELIN. You are pointing to the west one? Mr. TRULY. I am pointing to the west one. This elevator was on the fifth floor. Also, the east elevator--as far as I can tell--both of them were on the fifth floor at that time. This elevator will come down if the gates are down, and you push a button. Representative FORD. Which elevator is that? Mr. TRULY. The west one. But the east one will not come down unless you get on it and bring it down. You cannot call it if the gates are down. Representative FORD. That is the east elevator? Mr. TRULY. The east elevator? There is a button and a little bell here. I pressed---- Mr. BELIN. You might put a "B" on Exhibit 362 by the elevator for "button." Mr. TRULY. That is right on this surface. There is a little button. I pressed the button and the elevator didn't move. I called upstairs "Turn loose the elevator." Mr. BELIN. When you say call up, in what kind of a voice did you call? Mr. TRULY. Real loud. I suppose in an excited voice. But loud enough that anyone could have heard me if they had not been over stacking or making a little noise. But I rang the bell and pushed this button. Mr. BELIN. What did you call? Mr. TRULY. I said, "Turn loose the elevator." Those boys understand that language. Mr. BELIN. What does that mean? Mr. TRULY. That means if they have the gates up, they go pull the gates down, and when you press the button, you can pull it down. Mr. BELIN. And how many times did you yell that? Mr. TRULY. Two times. Mr. BELIN. After you had first pushed the button? Mr. TRULY. That is right. I had pressed the button twice, I believe, and called up for the elevator twice. Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do? First of all, did the elevator come down? Mr. TRULY. It did not. Mr. BELIN. All right. Then what did you do? Mr. TRULY. I went up on a run up the stairway. Mr. BELIN. Could you again follow--from Point B, could you show which way you went? All right. Mr. TRULY. What is this here? Mr. BELIN. This is to show this is a stairway, and there is a stairway above it, too. But you went up the stairs right here? Mr. TRULY. That is right. Mr. BELIN. Okay. And where was this officer at that time?