Do you see a number with an arrow pointing to the door? Mr. TRULY. That is it. Mr. BELIN. What number is that? Mr. TRULY. It is number 23. Mr. BELIN. All right. Number 23, the arrow points to the door that has the glass in it. Now, as you raced around, how far did you start up the stairs towards the third floor there? Mr. TRULY. I suppose I was up two or three steps before I realized the officer wasn't following me. Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do? Mr. TRULY. I came back to the second floor landing. Mr. BELIN. What did you see? Mr. TRULY. I heard some voices, or a voice, coming from the area of the lunchroom, or the inside vestibule, the area of 24. Mr. BELIN. All right. And I see that there appears to be on the second floor diagram, a room marked lunchroom. Mr. TRULY. That is right. Mr. BELIN. What did you do then? Mr. TRULY. I ran over and looked in this door No. 23. Mr. BELIN. Through the glass, or was the door open? Mr. TRULY. I don't know. I think I opened the door. I feel like I did. I don't remember. Mr. BELIN. It could have been open or it could have been closed, you do not remember? Mr. TRULY. The chances are it was closed. Mr. BELIN. You thought you opened it? Mr. TRULY. I think I opened it. I opened the door back and leaned in this way. Mr. BELIN. What did you see? Mr. TRULY. I saw the officer almost directly in the doorway of the lunchroom facing Lee Harvey Oswald. Mr. BELIN. And where was Lee Harvey Oswald at the time you saw him? Mr. TRULY. He was at the front of the lunchroom, not very far inside--he was just inside the lunchroom door. Mr. BELIN. All right. Mr. TRULY. 2 or 3 feet, possibly. Mr. BELIN. Could you put an "O" where you saw Lee Harvey Oswald? All right. You have put an "O" on Exhibit 497. What did you see or hear the officer say or do? Mr. TRULY. When I reached there, the officer had his gun pointing at Oswald. The officer turned this way and said, "This man work here?" And I said, "Yes." Mr. BELIN. And then what happened? Mr. TRULY. Then we left Lee Harvey Oswald immediately and continued to run up the stairways until we reached the fifth floor. Mr. BELIN. All right. Let me ask you this now. How far was the officer's gun from Lee Harvey Oswald when he asked the question? Mr. TRULY. It would be hard for me to say, but it seemed to me like it was almost touching him. Mr. BELIN. What portion of his body? Mr. TRULY. Towards the middle portion of his body. Mr. BELIN. Could you see Lee Harvey Oswald's hands? Mr. TRULY. Yes. Mr. BELIN. Could you see---- Mr. TRULY. I am sure I could, yes. I could see most of him, because I was looking in the room on an angle, and they were this way. Mr. BELIN. When you say you were looking in the room on an angle---- Mr. TRULY. What I mean--this door offsets the lunchroom door. Mr. BELIN. By this door, you mean door No. 23 is at an angle to door No. 24? Mr. TRULY. Yes. One this way and the other one is this way. Mr. BELIN. All right.