Mr. STOMBAUGH. No; the other fibers I cleaned up, removed the grease and examined them but they were of no value. They were pretty well fragmented. Mr. EISENBERG. You could not make a determination as to their nature? Mr. STOMBAUGH. I could tell what type they were. Mr. EISENBERG. Meaning textile type? Mr. STOMBAUGH. Yes; such as wool, cotton, what-have-you, but the grease and the dirt had changed the colors which ruined the characteristics for comparison purposes. Mr. EISENBERG. Could you tell whether they were old or new? Mr. STOMBAUGH. They all appeared old. Mr. EISENBERG. What about---- Mr. DULLES. What do you mean by old, 2 or 3 months old, 2 or 3 weeks old? Mr. STOMBAUGH. Well, a length of time, I would say that in excess of a month or 2 months. Mr. DULLES. In that area? Mr. STOMBAUGH. In that area or longer. They weren't recently put in there. Let's say that. Mr. EISENBERG. What about the grease, did you attempt to examine the grease? Mr. STOMBAUGH. No. Mr. EISENBERG. Why was that? Mr. STOMBAUGH. I could see no need of it at that time. Mr. EISENBERG. Let's return then to the fibers which you referred to as being fresh, which you said you found in the crevice of the butt plate, and I will ask Mr. Dulles' question in reverse: What do you mean by fresh, why do you call these fresh? Mr. STOMBAUGH. In the first place, this was just a small tuft. They were adhering to the gun on a small jagged edge. In other words, the gun had caught on a piece of fabric and pulled these fibers loose. They were clean, they had good color to them, there was no grease on them and they were not fragmented. They looked as if they had just been picked up. They were folded very neatly down in the crevice. Mr. EISENBERG. Were these fibers in a position where they could have easily been knocked off by rough use? Mr. STOMBAUGH. No; they were adhering to the edge rather tightly. Mr. EISENBERG. In the crevice? Mr. STOMBAUGH. Well, it had the jagged edge sticking up and the fibers were folded around it and resting in the crevice. Mr. DULLES. I think you testified, though, that might have been done in part by the dusting? Mr. STOMBAUGH. Yes, sir; I believe when the fingerprintman dusted it he probably ran his brush along the metal portion here. Mr. EISENBERG. Of the butt plate? Mr. STOMBAUGH. Of the butt plate, and at the time the brush folded these down into the crevice. Mr. EISENBERG. What led you to the particular conclusion that they had been folded into the crevice by the dusting? Mr. STOMBAUGH. Because of the presence of fingerprint powder being down in and through the crevice here. It looked as if it had been dusted with a brush. You could make out the bristlemarks of the brush itself.