Mr. CURRY. No particular reason. They just, a lot of the news media say they didn't think they could see him up there or couldn't get pictures of him up there and we brought him in there in front of the screen and kept him there as I recall only about 4 or 5 minutes and shoving up close to him and taking shots of him and took him upstairs and I believe the district attorney and his assistant stayed down and perhaps talked to the news media for several minutes. But we took Harvey Oswald back upstairs and I think I went back to my office. Mr. DULLES. This was the evening of Friday, was it not? Mr. CURRY. I believe so, sir. Mr. DULLES. Did you say Ruby was present that evening? Mr. CURRY. I have understood he was. But to my own knowledge, I wouldn't have known him because I didn't know him. Mr. McCLOY. You said you first saw Ruby when? Mr. CURRY. In a trial. I believe it was for a bond hearing where they were attempting to get bond for him. And I saw him sitting at a counsel table and recognized him from pictures I had seen of him in the paper. Mr. DULLES. This is some time before the assassination? Mr. McCLOY. This is the trial incident to the trial of Ruby, as I understand it? Mr. DULLES. You had not seen him before? Mr. CURRY. No, sir. Mr. McCLOY. It was a bond hearing incident to the trial? Mr. CURRY. If I had seen him I wouldn't have known him. Mr. McCLOY. I don't want to again interrupt but I don't know whether we have passed by all of the questions you wanted to ask the chief in regard to the motorcade and the time of the assassination. I thought maybe we might ask him whether or what was his estimate of the speed of the motorcade, for example. Mr. RANKIN. We haven't covered that period because of the way we started, and I think we could go back, Chief, if you will, to, say, at the point the motorcade left Main Street and started down Houston, and then down Elm up to the time of the shots. Will you describe that, where you and what the motorcade consisted of? Mr. CURRY. Yes, sir; I was--there was a pilot car ahead of us with Deputy Chief Lumpkin that was perhaps two or three blocks ahead of us and had been preceding us all the way from Love Field to see that the route was open and reporting back by radio to us, and this was for the purpose, if we had any wrecks or congestion to where it looked like the motorcade could be stopped that we could change our routes and get around them and also to let us know how the crowd was. He had been preceding us all this way. There has been some question as to why this motorcade would not proceed on down Main Street. Mr. RANKIN. Will you explain that to the Commission? Mr. CURRY. Yes, sir; I can. I will make another diagram here, if you wish me to.