They would follow the armored motor car and no one would know that he was not in the armored motor car except the reporters downstairs when they saw him come out. They would see he was placed in a car instead of the armored car, and we planned to let the armored car go over the predetermined route, but that Captain Fritz, when he got to Main Street, as you go east on Commerce and turned north to go to Elm Street, that is the second street over, when he got to Main Street they would make a left turn and go right down Main Street to the county jail, and they would turn right on Houston Street and the lead car would pull past the entrance and he would duck in and the gates would be closed and the prisoner would be transferred. Mr. RANKIN. What happened to these TV cameras that you told them to get out of there? Mr. CURRY. They moved them back somewhere. I don't know where they moved them but it was away from there. Mr. RANKIN. Weren't their cameras right there at the time of the shooting? Mr. CURRY. There were some cameras immediately over, TV cameras, I think over where I had told them to place them earlier that morning. I understood when Chief Batchelor went downstairs and I think Captain Jones of the forgery bureau, immediately prior to the transfer, they found there were some reporters and cameramen in the jail office, and Captain Jones, I believe, asked Chief Batchelor if these should not be removed and he was told yes, they should be removed out into the basement. When they were removed out into the basement instead of them being placed outside of the railing--now this is a decision made by Chief Batchelor, I suppose, because he said put them in the driveway up to the north. Now this is from where Ruby came. So apparently this afforded him an opportunity, from our investigation it was determined that he came down this Main Street ramp. Mr. RANKIN. How did you determine that? Mr. CURRY. We interrograted every man that was assigned in the basement. Also every witness who was around there that we could find that knew anything about it. Mr. RANKIN. Did anyone see him come in on that ramp? Mr. CURRY. There was a former police officer who told us he saw him go down that ramp, a Negro former police officer. Mr. RANKIN. Who was that? Mr. CURRY. I believe his name was Daniels. I think perhaps you have a statement from him, don't you? Mr. RANKIN. Is he the only one who saw him come in down there? Mr. CURRY. I believe so. Mr. RANKIN. Now with these TV cameras down there how would your ruse work about having the armored car go ahead and Oswald climb into Captain Fritz' car? Wouldn't that all be shown on TV? Mr. CURRY. If it was. We didn't think there would be anybody downtown to be in a position to watching TV that quickly to do anything about it if they wanted to. Mr. RANKIN. You thought about it though? Mr. CURRY. Yes. Mr. RANKIN. What happened? Were you down there at the time?