Mr. FRITZ. Of course, I talked to him several times during that afternoon. I would have to go out and talk to every officer and give them different assignments and talk to them about these witnesses, and help some in getting the witnesses over there. I also asked Lieutenant Day to bring the rifle down after I sent after Mrs. Oswald, and had her to look at the rifle. She couldn't identify it positively but she said it looked like the rifle that he had, but she couldn't say for sure. She said she thought he brought it from New Orleans. Mr. BALL. How long a time did you sit with Oswald and question him this first time? Mr. FRITZ. The first time, not but a few minutes. Mr. BALL. That was the time Hosty and Bookhout were there? Mr. FRITZ. That is right. But sometimes when I would leave the office to do something else, it is hard to imagine how many things we had happening at the one time or how many different officers we had doing different things without seeing it but we were terribly busy. I had called all my officers back on duty and had every one of them assigned to something, so going back and forth kept me pretty busy running back and forth at the time of questioning. I don't know when I would leave, I suppose Mr. Bookhout and Mr. Hosty asked him a few questions, but I don't believe they questioned him a great deal while I was gone. Mr. BALL. You said just a few minutes, what did you mean by that, 15, 20, 25? Mr. FRITZ. It would be pretty hard to guess at a time like that because we weren't even quitting for lunch so I don't even know, time didn't mean much right at that time. For a few minutes, you would think 30 or 40 minutes the first time. Mr. BALL. Thirty or forty minutes? Mr. FRITZ. I am guessing at that time. Mr. BALL. He hadn't been searched up to that time, had he? Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir; he had been searched. Mr. BALL. Wasn't he searched later in the jail office? Mr. FRITZ. He was searched, the officers who arrested him made the first search, I am sure. He had another search at the building and I believe that one of my officers, Mr. Boyd, found some cartridges in his pocket in the room after he came to the city hall. I can't tell you the exact time when he searched him. Mr. BAIL. You don't have the record of the time when he was searched? Mr. FRITZ. No. Mr. BALL. You remember they found a transfer of Dallas Transit Company? Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir; found a transfer. Mr. BALL. And some bullets? Mr. FRITZ. Bullets; yes, sir. Cartridges. Mr. BALL. He had an identification bracelet, too, didn't he? Mr. FRITZ. I am not sure about that. Mr. BALL. You don't remember? Mr. FRITZ. No. Mr. BALL. You had a showup that afternoon? Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir. Mr. McCLOY. May I ask what kind of bullets these were? Mr. FRITZ. .38, cartridges for a .38 pistol. Mr. McCLOY. Pistol? Mr. FRITZ. Yes, pistol cartridges. Mr. BALL. You had a showup that afternoon?