Mr. EISENBERG. What is the lowest number to which you have testified in court, Mr. Mandella. Mr. MANDELLA. The lowest that I can recall I testified to, five points. Mr. EISENBERG. Was there a conviction secured in that case? Mr. MANDELLA. Yes; there was. Of course, I don't recall if the fingerprint was the thing that caused the conviction, but it was part of the testimony. Mr. DULLES. In most of these cases where you have made an identification, have there been more than five points of identity? Mr. MANDELLA. Well, it seems to run between, somewhere between 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 and 11, and in some cases more. It depends on how much of the finger or palm that you have, how many characteristics are contained in that area. Mr. DULLES. My question was directed to the specific prints that you have, photographs of prints that you have examined. Mr. MANDELLA. Yes; it usually verges on 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12. Mr. DULLES. In the cases of these identifications that you have made? Mr. MANDELLA. Oh, no. Some--we have many more characteristics in some of these identifications here today. Mr. EISENBERG. I think Commissioner Dulles is referring to cases previous to this. Mr. DULLES. I was referring to both. First I was asking you in general how many do you consider are necessary, and secondly how many did you find in these particular cases that you have examined in the Oswald case? Mr. MANDELLA. Oh. Would you like me to---- Mr. EISENBERG. Do you have that information? Mr. MANDELLA. Yes. Mr. EISENBERG. Fine. Mr. MANDELLA. Of course these characteristics that I point out are the ones that I see and in some cases there is a few more, but these are the ones that are very definite and outstanding. On the gun barrel, I forget the Commission exhibit number, there was 11 points of identity. Mr. EISENBERG. That is 658? Mr. MANDELLA. Commission Exhibit 658. There was 11 points of identity on that particular palmprint. Mr. DULLES. That is exactly what I wanted. Mr. MANDELLA. Yes; now the brown wrapping paper bag, Commission's Exhibit 659---- Mr. EISENBERG. There is 659-A and B here. The one you have marked "left index Oswald"? Mr. MANDELLA. Is that A? Mr. EISENBERG. That is what I have marked "B." That is Commission Exhibit 659-B. Mr. MANDELLA. Then No. 2, 659-A is the palmprint. Mr. EISENBERG. That is marked "right palm"? Mr. MANDELLA. Right palm, and there is 18 points, 18 characteristics that are very outstanding and in this case possibly more too. Now in Commission's Exhibit 659-B---- Mr. EISENBERG. That is marked "left index Oswald"? Mr. MANDELLA. It is the left index finger--Lee Harvey Oswald, there is 11 points of identity and possibly a few more. In Commission Exhibit 656 which is the No. 2 finger or the right index finger of Lee Harvey Oswald, there is 11 points, that is the whorl-type pattern.