Mr. KELLEY. Two weeks later; yes, sir. Mr. DULLES. So the foliage would presumably be somewhat less in that picture, would it not, than it was on November 22? Mr. KELLEY. No; actually, the foliage hadn't changed very much even in the latest tests we are making. The CHAIRMAN. It was an evergreen? Mr. KELLEY. It was an oak tree, Mr. Chief Justice, I have been told the foliage doesn't change much during the year. They call it pine oak. Some people call it a life oak. But the people down there I talked to said it was called a pine oak. Mr. SPECTER. And did you observe the foliage on the tree on May 24? Mr. KELLEY. I did, sir. Mr. SPECTER. And would you state the relative condition of that foliage, as contrasted with the photographs you have before you taken on December 5? Mr. KELLEY. It was very similar, practically the same. Mr. SPECTER. And the description which you have just given applies to a large oak tree which intervened between a point on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository Building and any automobile which would have been driven down the center lane of Elm Street in a westerly direction? Mr. KELLEY. Yes, sir. Mr. SPECTER. Mr. Chief Justice, the purpose of having Inspector Kelley testify was just to set the scene. That completes our questioning of him. The CHAIRMAN. Very well. Thank you, Inspector Kelley. Mr. SPECTER. The next witness will be Inspector Gauthier. TESTIMONY OF LEO J. GAUTHIER Mr. SPECTER. Would you state your full name for the record, please? Mr. GAUTHIER. Leo J. Gauthier. Mr. SPECTER. And by whom are you employed, sir? Mr. GAUTHIER. The Federal Bureau of Investigation. Mr. SPECTER. And what is your rank with the Federal Bureau of Investigation? Mr. GAUTHIER. Inspector. I am in charge of the Bureau's exhibit section, where we prepare investigative aids, consisting of diagrams, charts, maps, three-dimensional exhibits, in connection with the presentation of cases in court. Mr. SPECTER. How long have you been employed by the Federal Bureau of Investigation? Mr. GAUTHIER. Twenty-nine years. Mr. SPECTER. Did you have occasion to reconstruct certain models to scale in connection with the investigation on the assassination of President Kennedy? Mr. GAUTHIER. Yes; I did. Mr. SPECTER. And what model reproduction, if any, did you make of the scene of the assassination itself?