Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir; Commission No. 889 represented by frame 166 is the adjusted position to account for the fact that the Presidential stand-in on May 24 was actually 10 inches higher in the air above the street than the President would have been in the Presidential limousine. Mr. DULLES. Would you explain to us simply how you made those adjustments? Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir. Mr. DULLES. I mean how did you get him down 10 inches as a practical matter. Mr. FRAZIER. They had marked on the back of the President's coat the location of the wound, according to the distance from the top of his head down to the hole in his back as shown in the autopsy figures. They then held a ruler, a tape measure up against that, both the back of the Presidential stand-in-and the back of the Governor's stand-in, and looking through the scope you could estimate the 10-inch distance down on the automobile. You could not actually see it on the President's back. But could locate that 10-inch distance as a point which we marked with tape on the automobile itself, both for the Presidential and the Governor's stand-in. Mr. DULLES. Thank you. Mr. FRAZIER. Continuing with Commission Exhibit No. 890, represented by frame---- Mr. McCLOY. Hold that around so I can see it. Mr. FRAZIER. Represented by frame 185, this is the first or rather the only position through the foliage of the tree at which a person from the sixth floor could get a clear shot at the back of the President, and I had the car stopped at this position and then we determined that this was frame 185 from the Zapruder films. Mr. DULLES. There are no heavy limbs in there of any kind, are there---- Mr. FRAZIER. No, sir. Mr. DULLES. That would obstruct a bullet? Mr. FRAZIER. No, sir. The tree--it is a live oak tree which retains its leaves all year around and the limbs at that point are relatively small. Mr. DULLES. All right. Mr. SPECTER. Did you compare the appearance of the foliage on the pictures taken by the Secret Service, about which Inspector Kelley earlier testified, with the appearance of the foliage on May 24? Mr. FRAZIER. Yes; I did. Mr. SPECTER. What was that comparison? Mr. FRAZIER. They are so nearly identical that you could not really pick out any difference between the foliage and the photograph taken previously in November. In Commission Exhibit No. 891, which is marked frame 186, this is the adjusted position to which the car was moved to accommodate the 10-inch distance at which the actual wound in the President would have been located had the car been the actual Presidential limousine rather than the stand-in car. Mr. SPECTER. Were you standing, seated, or kneeling at the time when these photographs were taken and the sighting of the rifle was made by you. Mr. FRAZIER. I was actually sitting on a carton with my left elbow resting on the boxes stacked in front of the window.