Mrs. KENNEDY. Well, I don't, because--you know, it is very hard for them to talk. But I do not remember, just as I don't recall climbing out on the back of the car. Mr. RANKIN. Yes. You have told us what you remember about the entire period as far as you can recall, have you? Mrs. KENNEDY. Yes. The CHAIRMAN. Thank you very much, Mrs. Kennedy. (Whereupon, at 4:30 p.m., the President's Commission recessed.) _Sunday, June 7, 1964_ TESTIMONY OF MR. JACK RUBY The President's Commission met at 11:45 a.m., on June 7, 1964, in the interrogation room of the Dallas County Jail, Main and Houston Streets, Dallas, Tex. Present were Chief Justice Earl Warren, Chairman; and Representative Gerald R. Ford, member. Also present were J. Lee Rankin, general counsel; Joseph A. Ball, assistant counsel; Arlen Specter, assistant counsel; Leon Jaworski and Robert G. Storey, special counsel to the attorney general of Texas; Jim Bowie, assistant district attorney; Joe H. Tonahill, attorney for Jack Ruby; Elmer W. Moore, special agent, U.S. Secret Service; and J. E. Decker, sheriff of Dallas County. Mr. RUBY. Without a lie detector test on my testimony, my verbal statements to you, how do you know if I am tell the truth? Mr. TONAHILL. Don't worry about that, Jack. Mr. RUBY. Just a minute, gentlemen. Chief Justice WARREN. You wanted to ask something, did you, Mr. Ruby? Mr. RUBY. I would like to be able to get a lie detector test or truth serum of what motivated me to do what I did at that particular time, and it seems as you get further into something, even though you know what you did, it operates against you somehow, brainwashes you, that you are weak in what you want to tell the truth about and what you want to say which is the truth. Now Mr. Warren, I don't know if you got any confidence in the lie detector test and the truth serum, and so on. Chief Justice WARREN. I can't tell you just how much confidence I have in it, because it depends so much on who is taking it, and so forth. But I will say this to you, that if you and your counsel want any kind of test, I will arrange it for you. I would be glad to do that, if you want it. I wouldn't suggest a lie detector test to testify the truth, We will treat you just the same as we do any other witness, but if you want such a test, I will arrange for it. Mr. RUBY. I do want it. Will you agree to that, Joe? Mr. TONAHILL. I sure do, Jack. Chief Justice WARREN. Any kind of a test you want to verify what you say, we will be glad to do. Mr. RUBY. I want it even if you put me into a sort of drowsiness so you can question me as to anything pertaining to my involvement in this particular act. Mr. TONAHILL. Jack, you have wanted to do that from the very beginning, haven't you? Mr. RUBY. Yes; and the reason why I am asking for that is--are you limited for time? Chief Justice WARREN. No; we have all the time you want.