My unfair competition had been running certain shows that we were restricted to run by regulation of the union, but they violated all the rules of the union, and I didn't violate it, and consequently I was becoming insolvent because of it. All those calls were made with only, in relation to seeing if they can help out, with the American Guild of Variety Artists. Does that confirm a lot of things you have heard? Every person I have called, and sometimes you may not even know a person intimately, you sort of tell them, well, you are stranded down here and you want some help--if they know of any official of the American Guild of Variety Artists to help me. Because my competitors were putting me out of business. I even flew to New York to see Joe Glazer, and he called Bobby Faye. He was the national president. That didn't help. He called Barney Ross and Joey Adams. All these phone calls were related not in anyway involved with the underworld, because I have been away from Chicago 17 years down in Dallas. As a matter of fact, I even called a Mr.--hold it before I say it--headed the American Federation of Labor--I can't think--in the State of Texas--Miller. Chief Justice WARREN. I don't know. Mr. RUBY. Is there a Deutsch I. Maylor? I called a Mr. Maylor here in Texas to see if he could help me out. I want to set you gentlemen straight on all the telephone calls I had. This was a long time prior to what has happened. And the only association I had with those calls, the only questions that I inquired about, was if they could help me with the American Guild of Variety Artists, to see that they abolished it, because it was unfair to professional talent, abolish them from putting on their shows in Dallas. That is the only reason I made those calls. Where do we go from there? Chief Justice WARREN. Well, I will go back to the original question that I asked you. Did you ever know Oswald? Mr. RUBY. No; let me add--you are refreshing my mind about a few things. Can I ask one thing? Did you all talk to Mr. McWillie? I am sure you have. VOICE. Yes. Mr. RUBY. He always wanted me to come down to Havana, Cuba; invited me down there, and I didn't want to leave my business because I had to watch over it. He was a key man over the Tropicana down there. That was during our good times. Was in harmony with our enemy of our present time. Chief Justice WARREN. Yes? Mr. RUBY. I refused. I couldn't make it. Finally he sent me tickets to come down, airplane tickets. I made the trip down there via New Orleans, and so I stayed at the Volk's Apartments, and I was with him constantly. And I was bored with the gambling, because I don't gamble, and there is nothing exciting unless you can speak their language, which is Spanish, I believe. And that was the only environment. That was in August of 1959.