The CHAIRMAN. When you got up to the first floor by that stairway, are there other stairs leading up to the floors above that connect with this? Mr. BRIAN. Yes, sir; you have to go around. This is just a narrow stairway going from the basement, it is probably, well, just a regular narrow staircase that goes up, straight up. After you get to the first floor the stairways widen out probably as wide as that window and go up half a floor and meet another landing and then go up to the third floor that way. They widen out. Representative FORD. Was anybody with Mr. Hosty? Mr. BRIAN. Not when we met him there; no, sir. Representative FORD. When you got on the elevator, who was on the elevator? Mr. BRIAN. It was full. Mr. DULLES. Were there a lot of pressmen down there, no television---- Mr. BRIAN. I don't recall seeing any but there may have been some. I don't recall seeing any but there may have been. The CHAIRMAN. You say the elevator was full? Mr. BRIAN. Yes, sir. The CHAIRMAN. About how many people would it carry approximately? Mr. BRIAN. Probably 10 or 12. Representative FORD. Did Revill and Hosty and yourself get on the elevator? Mr. BRIAN. Yes, sir. Representative FORD. Anybody else get on at that point that you recall? Mr. BRIAN. As I recall there was a little interchange of people, some got off and some got on, I believe. I believe there was a little interchange of people. Mr. DULLES. At the bottom, that is the bottom story for the elevator? Mr. BRIAN. Yes, sir; in the basement. Representative FORD. As you got on the elevator and as you rode up, did you hear Hosty and Revill converse at all? Mr. BRIAN. No, sir. Representative FORD. There was no further conversation on this problem? Mr. BRIAN. No, sir. Representative FORD. When you got off the elevator where did you go? Mr. BRIAN. Right on around. You get off the elevator and you come straight out---- Mr. DULLES. What floor--three? Mr. BRIAN. Three. Went around to the left to Captain Fritz' office and turned right in Captain Fritz' office and I stopped right there at the door and he took him over and introduced him, talked to, I believe, Lieutenant Wells. Mr. DULLES. Captain Fritz wasn't there at that time? Mr. BRIAN. I don't recall seeing him in there. But Captain Fritz has got him a little office in the side and you have got to walk up in front and see if he is in there because he stays in there all the time. Representative FORD. What did Revill and you do? Mr. BRIAN. Went back down to our office. Representative FORD. Gannaway's--is that Gannaway's office? Mr. BRIAN. Gannaway's; yes, sir. Representative FORD. As you drove---- Mr. DULLES. What floor is that on? Mr. BRIAN. Captain Gannaway's is on the second floor. Representative FORD. As you drove from the Texas School Depository Building after making a check of the facilities who was in the car? Mr. BRIAN. Our car? Representative FORD. Yes.