Mr. FRAZIER. Between 2 and 4:30 a.m. on November 23, 1963. Mr. DULLES. That was about 10 hours, 12 hours after the assassination? Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir; 14 to 16 hours. Mr. DULLES. Fourteen to sixteen hours. Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir. Mr. DULLES. May I ask, do you know in whose custody the automobile was prior to your examination from the time it was shipped on the airplane? Mr. FRAZIER. When I arrived there were two Secret Service men present but I do not recall their names. They were introduced to me, and they were there during the entire examination but I don't recall their actual names. The car was under guard in the Secret Service garage in Washington, D.C. Other than that I do not know. Mr. DULLES. Was this a joint examination by you and by the Secret Service or was the examination made by the FBI? Mr. FRAZIER. No, sir; by the FBI at the request of the Secret Service who had already examined the interior of the car for personal effects and other items. Mr. DULLES. Did they certify to you or advise you that the car had been under their custody during this 14-to 16-hour period? Mr. FRAZIER. I don't recall whether they actually stated that. What they stated was that the car had immediately been flown to Washington and placed in this garage and kept under surveillance the entire time. Mr. DULLES. Thank you. Mr. SPECTER. Was a fragment of metal brought to you which was identified as coming from the wrist of Governor Connally? Mr. FRAZIER. It was identified to me as having come from the arm of Governor Connally. Mr. SPECTER. Will you produce that fragment at this time, please? Mr. FRAZIER. This one does not have a Commission number as yet. Mr. SPECTER. May it please the Commission, I would like to have this fragment marked as Commission Exhibit 842. (Commission Exhibit No. 842 was marked for identification and received in evidence.) Mr. SPECTER. Now, referring to a fragment heretofore marked as Q9 for FBI record purposes, and now marked as Commission Exhibit No. 842, will you describe that fragment for us, please? Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir; this is a small fragment of metal which weighed one-half a grain when I first examined it in the laboratory. It is a piece of lead, and could have been a part of a bullet or a core of a bullet. However, it lacks any physical characteristics which would permit stating whether or not it actually originated from a bullet. Mr. SPECTER. Are its physical characteristics consistent with having come from Commission Exhibit 399? Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir; it could have. Mr. SPECTER. Are they consistent with that fragment identified as Commission Exhibit No. 842, as having come from fragment identified as Commission Exhibit 567? Mr. FRAZIER. Which is 567? Mr. SPECTER. 567 is the one which was found on the front seat. Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir; it could have.