Mr. SPECTER. Was he near the big clock when you first saw him, the clock that is overhead in the center there? Mr. JIMISON. Yes. Mr. SPECTER. And were there doctors around him at that time? Mr. JIMISON. Yes. Mr. SPECTER. And did you help push the stretcher from that point to---- Mr. JIMISON. (interrupting) No; I followed behind him to room 4 and I helped them take him off. Mr. SPECTER. You helped them take Governor Connally and put him on the operating table? Mr. JIMISON. I did. Mr. SPECTER. And what then was done with the stretcher that he was on? Mr. JIMISON. Well, the stretcher at that time was moved back from the table, of course, because they had to make room for the doctors to get up close to the table, which was back just a'ways and when I got free--whether it was Miss Wester or Mrs. Ross there--they pushed it back a little further, but they didn't get quite to the elevator with it; I came along and pushed it onto the elevator myself and loaded it on and pushed the door closed. Mr. SPECTER. What was on the stretcher at that time? Mr. JIMISON. I noticed nothing more than a little flat mattress and two sheets as usual. Mr. SPECTER. And what was the position of the sheets? Mr. JIMISON. Of course, them sheets was, of course, as usual, flat out on the bed. Mr. SPECTER. Had they been rolled up? Mr. JIMISON. More or less, not rolled, which, yes, usually they is, the mattress and sheets are all just throwed, one of them about halfway, it would be just throwed about halfway. Mr. SPECTER. Were the sheets flat or just turned over? Mr. JIMISON. Well, just turned over. Mr. SPECTER. Were they crumpled up in any way? Mr. JIMISON. Well, there was a possibility it was strictly--a tragic day. Mr. SPECTER. It was what? Mr. JIMISON. It was a tragic day. Mr. SPECTER. Right, and everybody was a little shook up on account of it? Mr. JIMISON. We didn't look too close. Mr. SPECTER. Was there anything else on the stretcher? Mr. JIMISON. I never noticed anything else at all. Mr. SPECTER. Could there have been some empty packets of hypodermic needles or an alcohol sponge? Mr. JIMISON. There could have been. Mr. SPECTER. Or a 1-inch roll of tape? Mr. JIMISON. There could have been something--small stuff, but nothing large like bundles or anything like that. Mr. SPECTER. What did you do with the stretcher then, you said? Mr. JIMISON. Pushed it on the rear elevator, which goes downstairs. Mr. SPECTER. Is there any other elevator which goes downstairs to the emergency area? Mr. JIMISON. Not close in the emergency area--that's the only one. Mr. SPECTER. What was the purpose for your putting it on that elevator? Mr. JIMISON. It goes back to emergency because it can be cleaned up there and remade and put in use again. Mr. SPECTER. Is it customarily your job to put it back on the elevator? Mr. JIMISON. Yes; it is. Mr. SPECTER. Did you ever take it down and put it in order yourself?