Mr. BELIN. And what is your educational background? Did you go through high school? Mr. COUCH. I went to Woodrow Wilson High School here in Dallas, I have a Bachelor of Arts degree from John Brown University; and I will receive a Master of Theology degree this May from Dallas Seminary. Mr. BELIN. You then plan, when you receive your Master of Theology degree, to become a minister? Mr. COUCH. I will be ordained. I don't know if I will have a church or not, but I will be ordained. Mr. BELIN. Are you married, Mr. Couch? Mr. COUCH. Yes. Mr. BELIN. Any family at all? Mr. COUCH. Yes; one boy--since last Friday. Mr. BELIN. Since last Friday? Well, congratulations to you. I assume your wife and baby are doing well? Mr. COUCH. Yes, sir. Mr. BELIN. What did you major in at college? Mr. COUCH. Social science. Mr. BELIN. What is your present occupation, Mr. Couch? Mr. COUCH. Part-time television news cameraman with WFAA-TV in Dallas. Mr. BELIN. When you say "part time," do you mean you're going to school part time---- Mr. COUCH. Right. Mr. BELIN. And spending part time with WFAA-TV? Mr. COUCH. Right. Mr. BELIN. How long have you been employed by WFAA-TV? Mr. COUCH. Uh--for 2 years straight. But I worked with them full and part time, I believe, back in--starting in 1955 to 1957. Mr. BELIN. And then what happened in 1957? Mr. COUCH. I went to college. Mr. BELIN. You went to college full time? Mr. COUCH. Right. Mr. BELIN. And then you got out in 1961? Mr. COUCH. I got out in January 1960. Mr. BELIN. January 1960? Mr. COUCH. Yes--and came back to Dallas and went into graduate school here. Mr. BELIN. And when you came back to Dallas, you went to work with WFAA-TV? Mr. COUCH. No; no. I began going to Dallas Seminary, but--uh--I worked for Keitz & Herndon Film Studios--[spelling] K-e-i-t-z and H-e-r-n-d-o-n. Mr. BELIN. Have you had any other jobs since you've gotten out of college other than those? Mr. COUCH. I worked a year for Camp Elhar, as executive director of the camp. It's a Christian camp here in Dallas. Mr. BELIN. Is this for youngsters? Mr. COUCH. Right. Mr. BELIN. Boys and girls? Mr. COUCH. Right. Mr. BELIN. And when did that employment take place? Mr. COUCH. Uh--I believe it was September 1961--and ended in September 1962. I started working for WFAA in March of 1962. And I've been there 2 years. Mr. BELIN. In other words, part of the time while you were working with this camp, you were also part time with WFAA-TV? Mr. COUCH. Right. Mr. BELIN. And then when you started to work on your Masters in Theology, you stopped working? Mr. COUCH. No. I started work on my Masters when I came back from college---- Mr. BELIN. Oh, I see. Mr. COUCH. In January of 1960. It's a 4-year course. Mr. BELIN. I see. Mr. Couch, I want to take you back to November 22, 1963, and ask you whether or not you were employed by WFAA-TV at that time? Mr. COUCH. Yes; I was.