Mr. BALL. What street? Mr. CRAWFORD. That's Record and Elm--that's Commerce, isn't it, Jim? Mr. UNDERWOOD. What's that? Mr. CRAWFORD. What is the street just north of the courthouse--that's Elm. Mr. UNDERWOOD. It's bordered by Elm, Main, Record, and Houston. Mr. BALL. You are located on the corner of---- Mr. CRAWFORD. Elm. Mr. BALL. Elm and---- Mr. CRAWFORD. And Record. Mr. BALL. And Record, and then you walked which direction? Mr. CRAWFORD. Well, actually, the courthouse is--I suppose our office would be considered on Elm and Houston. Mr. BALL. When you left your office, you walked on what street? Mr. CRAWFORD. Walked on Elm to Houston, rather than Record. Mr. BALL. In other words, you walked west on Elm towards Houston? Mr. CRAWFORD. Right. Mr. BALL. To what corner of Elm and Houston? Mr. CRAWFORD. That would be the corner of the courthouse. Do you want the direction of the intersection? Mr. BALL. Yes, where was it? Southeast, northwest corner of Elm? Mr. CRAWFORD. It's the northwest corner of the courthouse. Mr. BALL. The northwest corner of the courthouse--it's the southeast corner of the intersection? Mr. CRAWFORD. Southeast corner of the intersection. Mr. BALL. Where were you when you watched the President pass? Mr. CRAWFORD. I was at that location. Mr. BALL. Which corner of the intersection? Mr. CRAWFORD. The southeast corner of the intersection. Mr. BALL. Where was the Texas School Book Depository Building from where you were standing? Mr. CRAWFORD. It would be on the northwest corner of the intersection. Mr. BALL. Directly across? Mr. CRAWFORD. Yes; right. Mr. BALL. Did you have a good view at that point of the south exposure of the Texas School Book Depository? Mr. CRAWFORD. I had a very good angle. Mr. BALL. Did you see the President's car pass? Mr. CRAWFORD. I did. Mr. BALL. And just tell me in your own words what you observed after that? Mr. CRAWFORD. As I observed the parade, I believe there was a car leading the President's car, followed by the President's car and followed, I suppose, by the Vice President's car and, in turn, by the Secret Service in a yellow closed sedan. The doors of the sedan were open. It was after the Secret Service sedan had gone around the corner that I heard the first report and at that time I thought it was a backfire of a car but, in analyzing the situation, it could not have been a backfire of a car because it would have had to have been the President's car or some car in the cavalcade there. The second shot followed some seconds, a little time elapsed after the first one, and followed very quickly by the third one. I could not see the President's car---- Mr. BALL. At that time?