Mr. BELIN. Do you figure if the motorcade came by at around 12:30, you figure you got down to the spot at 12 or 12:05? Mrs. ROWLAND. Yes. Mr. BELIN. If you got down to that spot at 12 or 12:05, how many minutes prior to that time do you think you got on the bus? Mrs. ROWLAND. About 45. Mr. BELIN. You figure it might have been a 45-minute bus ride? Mrs. ROWLAND. Yes. Mr. BELIN. That would have meant that you would have got on the bus around 11:15 or so? Mrs. ROWLAND. Yes. Mr. BELIN. Do you remember how long you waited for the bus before you got it? Mrs. ROWLAND. We were walking while waiting for the bus, and it was about, I guess, 20 minutes. Mr. BELIN. So you figured you walked around about 20 minutes? Mrs. ROWLAND. Yes. Mr. BELIN. So you figured you would have left your mother's home shortly before 11? Mrs. ROWLAND. Yes. Mr. BELIN. You are nodding your head yes? Mrs. ROWLAND. Yes. Mr. BELIN. All right, did you notice anything while you were watching, waiting for the motorcade? Mrs. ROWLAND. We saw an airplane. Now, while we were waiting for the motorcade, well, there was a man across the street who fainted in the park. Mr. BELIN. You were standing now on what street? Mrs. ROWLAND. On Houston Street. Mr. BELIN. That would be on the east or the west side of Houston? Mrs. ROWLAND. West side--east side. Mr. BELIN. East side. In front of what building? Mrs. ROWLAND. In front of the records, at the side of the records building. Mr. BELIN. Do you know any particular spot that you were standing? Mrs. ROWLAND. We were standing near the drive-in entrance. There is an elevator there, too. Mr. BELIN. Near the elevator that comes out of the ground? Mrs. ROWLAND. Yes. Mr. BELIN. All right, you said you noticed a man across the street fainted. Anything else that you and your husband noticed? Mrs. ROWLAND. Well, my husband and I were talking about Mr. Stevenson's visit and the way the people had acted, and we were talking about security measures, and he said he saw a man on the sixth floor of the School Book Depository Building, and when I looked up there I didn't see the man, because I didn't know exactly what window he was talking about at first. And when I found out which window it was, the man had apparently stepped back, because I didn't see him. Mr. BELIN. Which window was it? Mrs. ROWLAND. It was the far left-hand window. Mr. BELIN. As you face the building? Mrs. ROWLAND. Yes. Mr. BELIN. It would be the window to the south side of the building? Mrs. ROWLAND. Yes. Mr. BELIN. Would it be on the eastern part of the south side or the western part of the south side? Mrs. ROWLAND. West. Mr. BELIN. Would it be the farthermost west window? Mrs. ROWLAND. Yes; the farthermost west pair of windows. Mr. BELIN. The farthermost west pair of windows. What did your husband say to you? Mrs. ROWLAND. Well, we assumed that it was a Secret Service man. Mr. BELIN. But what did he say, if you remember?