Mr. BELIN. Now, do you know when you got to corner of Houston and Elm--approximately? Mr. FISCHER. About 12:20. Mr. BELIN. 12:20? Mr. FISCHER. Yes, sir. Mr. BELIN. And where were you standing on the corner of Houston and Elm? Mr. FISCHER. We were standing right on the curb--uh--on the southwest corner of Elm and Houston. Mr. BELIN. Where were you with relation to that lagoon that's there? Mr. FISCHER. Well, that lagoon is rather long. We were standing in front of it, across the sidewalk. I believe it's the curb and the sidewalk and this little bit of grass, and then the lagoon. And we were standing right on the curb there. Mr. BELIN. You were standing on the curb at about the point where the actual curve of the curb is at the intersection--or not? Mr. FISCHER. I'd say where the curb starts to curve. Because, when the shots were fired, we looked around at the motorcade and couldn't see it--because--uh--of the people that were standing along the curb there. We just couldn't see it. Had we been on further around, we could have just looked down the street and seen it. Mr. BELIN. So, you would have been really standing on the curb which would be the west curb of Houston Street, just where it starts to make the curve to go onto Elm there. Is that correct? Mr. FISCHER. That's correct. Mr. BELIN. Now, would you describe what you saw as you were standing on that curb? Mr. FISCHER. About 10 or 15 seconds before the parade--first car of the parade came around the corner. Mr. BELIN. Now what corner is that? Mr. FISCHER. Of Houston and Main. Mr. BELIN. Uh-huh. Mr. FISCHER. Which would have been the first time we could have seen any of the cars because of the building--about 10 or 15 seconds before the first car came around that corner, Bob punched me and said, "Look at that guy there in that window." And he made some remark--said, "He looks like he's uncomfortable"--or something. And I looked up and I watched the man for, oh, I'd say, 10 or 15 seconds. It was until the first car came around the corner of Houston and Main. And, then, when that car did come around the corner, I took my attention off of the man in the window and started watching the parade. The man held my attention for 10 or 15 seconds, because he appeared uncomfortable for one, and, secondly, he wasn't watching--uh--he didn't look like he was watching for the parade. He looked like he was looking down toward the Trinity River and the triple underpass down at the end--toward the end of Elm Street. And--uh--all the time I watched him, he never moved his head, he never--he never moved anything. Just was there transfixed. Mr. BELIN. In what window did you see the man? Mr. FISCHER. It was the corner window on Houston Street facing Elm, in the fifth or sixth floor. Mr. BELIN. On what side of the--first of all, what building was this you saw him in? Mr. FISCHER. The Texas School Book Depository Building.