Mr. BALL. What was the longest, between the first and second or the second and third shot; which had the longest time lapse in there? Mr. WEITZMAN. Between the first and second shot. Mr. BALL. What did you do then? Mr. WEITZMAN. I immediately ran toward the President's car. Of course, it was speeding away and somebody said the shots or the firecrackers, whatever it was at that time, we still didn't know the President was shot, came from the wall. I immediately scaled that wall. Mr. BALL. What is the location of that wall? Mr. WEITZMAN. It would be between the railroad overpass and I can't remember the name of that little street that runs off Elm; it's cater-corner--the section there between the--what do you call it--the monument section? Mr. BALL. That's where Elm actually dead ends? Mr. WEITZMAN. Yes, sir; I scaled the wall and, apparently, my hands grabbed steampipes. I burned them. Mr. BALL. Did you go into the railroad yards? Mr. WEITZMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. What did you notice in the railroad yards? Mr. WEITZMAN. We noticed numerous kinds of footprints that did not make sense because they were going different directions. Mr. BALL. Were there other people there besides you? Mr. WEITZMAN. Yes, sir; other officers, Secret Service as well, and somebody started, there was something red in the street and I went back over the wall and somebody brought me a piece of what he thought to be a firecracker and it turned out to be, I believe, I wouldn't quote this, but I turned it over to one of the Secret Service men and I told them it should go to the lab because it looked to me like human bone. I later found out it was supposedly a portion of the President's skull. Mr. BALL. That you picked up off the street? Mr. WEITZMAN. Yes. Mr. BALL. What part of the street did you pick this up? Mr. WEITZMAN. As the President's car was going off, it would be on the left-hand side of the street. It would be the---- Mr. BALL. The left-hand side facing---- Mr. WEITZMAN. That would be the south side of the street. Mr. BALL. It was on the south side of the street. Was it in the street? Mr. WEITZMAN. It was in the street itself. Mr. BALL. On the pavement? Mr. WEITZMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Anywhere near the curb? Mr. WEITZMAN. Approximately, oh, I would say 8 to 12 inches from the curb, something like that. Mr. BALL. Off the record. (Off record discussion.) Mr. BALL. What did you do after that?