Mr. WEITZMAN. That's right. Mr. BALL. And the wooden portion of the rifle was what color? Mr. WEITZMAN. It was a brown, or I would say not a mahogany brown but dark oak brown. Mr. BALL. Rough wood, was it? Mr. WEITZMAN. Yes, sir; rough wood. Mr. BALL. And it was equipped with a scope? Mr. WEITZMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Was it of Japanese manufacture? Mr. WEITZMAN. I believe it was a 2.5 Weaver at the time I looked at it. I didn't look that close at it; it just looked like a 2.5 but it turned out to be a Japanese scope, I believe. Mr. BALL. Didn't you, when you went over to the railroad yard, talk to some yardman? Mr. WEITZMAN. I asked a yardman if he had seen or heard anything during the passing of the President. He said he thought he saw somebody throw something through a bush and that's when I went back over the fence and that's when I found the portion of the skull. I thought it was a firecracker portion; that's what we first were looking for. This was before we knew the President was dead. Mr. BALL. Did the yardman tell you where he thought the noise came from? Mr. WEITZMAN. Yes, sir; he pointed out the wall section where there was a bunch of shrubbery and I believe that's to the right where I went over the wall where the steampipe was; that would be going north back toward the jail. Mr. BALL. I think that's all. Do you have any desire to read this over and sign it or will you waive signature? Mr. WEITZMAN. I will waive my signature. I don't think the Government is going to alter my statement any. TESTIMONY OF CAPT. W. R. WESTBROOK The testimony of Capt. W. R. Westbrook was taken at 9 a.m., on April 6, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Messrs. Joseph A. Ball, John Hart Ely, and Samuel A. Stern, assistant counsel of the President's Commission. Dr. Alfred Goldberg, historian, was present. Mr. BALL. Would you please stand up and be sworn? Do you solemnly swear the testimony you are about to give before the Commission will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Mr. WESTBROOK. I do. Mr. BALL. Will you state your name, please? Mr. WESTBROOK. W. R. Westbrook. Mr. BALL. And what is your address? Mr. WESTBROOK. At the present time it is 7642 Daingerfield, Apartment C, and another address is Route 2, Quinton. I live at both of them. Mr. BALL. What is your business or occupation? Mr. WESTBROOK. Captain of police. Mr. BALL. The Commission has asked us to put something in the record about everybody's past experience. Can you tell me about where you were born--they don't get to take a look at you, so they would like to read about you.