Mr. WESTBROOK. It was marked by Officer Jerry Hill and a couple or three more, and when they come in with the gun, I just went on down and told Captain Fritz that the gun was in my office and he sent a man up after it. I didn't take it down. Mr. BALL. Did you see McDonald mark it? Mr. WESTBROOK. He possibly could have--he was in there. Mr. BALL. Did you see the gun unloaded? Mr. WESTBROOK. No, sir; I didn't see it unloaded. When I saw it, the gun was laying on Mr. McGee's desk and the shells were out of it. Mr. BALL. Did you look at any of the shells? Mr. WESTBROOK. No, sir. Mr. BALL. Did you look the gun over? Mr. WESTBROOK. No, sir. Mr. BALL. Do you have any questions? Mr. ELY. Yes; I have one. Captain, you mentioned that you had left orders for somebody to take the names of everybody in the theatre, and you also stated you did not have this list; do you know who has it? Mr. WESTBROOK. No; possibly Lieutenant Cunningham will know, but I don't know who has the list. Mr. ELY. That's all. Mr. WESTBROOK. And I'm sorry that I'm so vague on names, but it's just--the only reason that I knew Sergeant Stringer, I think, that day he worked with me. Mr. BALL. Do you have any questions? Mr. STERN. No, sir. Mr. BALL. I think that's all. Thank you very much, captain. Mr. WESTBROOK. Thank you, sir, Mr. Ball, it has been a pleasure. TESTIMONY OF ELMER L. BOYD The testimony of Elmer L. Boyd was taken at 11 a.m., on April 6, 1964, in the office of the U. S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Messrs. Joseph A. Ball, John Hart Ely and Samuel A. Stern, assistant counsel of the President's Commission. Dr. Alfred Goldberg, historian, was present. Mr. BALL. Mr. Boyd, do you swear that the testimony you are about to give before this Commission shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Mr. BOYD. I do. Mr. BALL. Will you state your name, please? Mr. BOYD. Elmer L. Boyd. Mr. BALL. And what is your occupation? Mr. BOYD. I am a detective in the homicide and robbery bureau for the Dallas Police Department. Mr. BALL. You received a letter asking you to appear here today, didn't you? Mr. BOYD. I think they received one over at the office and they notified me. Mr. BALL. And you have been told the purpose of this investigation is to inquire into the facts and circumstances surrounding the assassination of President Kennedy? Mr. BOYD. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. I'm going to ask you what you learned during the course of your investigation. Mr. BOYD. All right. Mr. BALL. Now, can you tell me something about yourself, where you were born and where you went to school and what you have done most of your life?