Mr. BALL. Pair of windows? Mr. BOYD. Yes, sir; now--pair of windows--let's see. Mr. BALL. The windows are in pairs on that side, on the Elm Street side--now, what sort of sack was it? Mr. BOYD. The best I remember it was just a brown paper sack--it looked like a lunch sack. Mr. BALL. About the size of a lunch sack? Mr. BOYD. Yes. Mr. BALL. Did you see any other paper sack around there? Mr. BOYD. I don't recall any if I did. Mr. BALL. Did you see any brown wrapping paper near the window where the hulls were found, near the windows alongside which the hulls were found? Mr. BOYD. I don't believe I did. Mr. BALL. What else did you see? Mr. BOYD. I just saw those stacks of books up there, and after we had been up there a while, I saw a rifle back over toward the southwest corner over there. Mr. BALL. Where was that located? Mr. BOYD. It was down between some boxes. Mr. BALL. Now, did you see any pictures taken of the hulls, photographs taken of the hulls? Mr. BOYD. Well, let's see, Detective Studebaker and Lieutenant Day, I believe, came up there and they were taking pictures over there at the scene of the hulls. Mr. BALL. And what about where the rifle was found, did you see pictures taken there? Mr. BOYD. Yes; I saw pictures taken over there. Mr. BALL. By whom? Mr. BOYD. Lieutenant Day. Mr. BALL. Did you see anything else on the sixth floor there? Mr. BOYD. I saw a lot of officers. Mr. BALL. Did you find anything yourself? Mr. BOYD. Not on the sixth floor--I don't believe so. Mr. BALL. What time did you leave there? Mr. BOYD. Well, I think I've got it down here somewhere--near 2 o'clock--I believe, but let me check to make sure. It would have been between 1:30 and 2 o'clock. Mr. BALL. Where were you when you heard the rifle had been found? Mr. BOYD. I was over near the scene of where the shells had been found. Mr. BALL. Did you see Captain Fritz handle the rifle after it had been found? Mr. BOYD. I don't believe so. Mr. BALL. Did you see him eject anything from it? Mr. BOYD. Let me see, now, I believe they did get a shell out of it after Lieutenant Day came over there. Mr. BALL. Did you see it, or are you just telling us what you heard? Mr. BOYD. Well, I don't believe I saw him get it out. Mr. BALL. You heard about it? Mr. BOYD. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. You left there and went up to the police department, didn't you? Mr. BOYD. Well, when we left there, we started to go to Irving, but someone--when we got downstairs--someone told Captain Fritz that Sheriff Decker wanted to see him over in his office. Mr. BALL. You say you started to go where? Mr. BOYD. Irving, Tex. Mr. BALL. Where did you get the address in Irving, Tex., or the place to go to in Irving, Tex.? Mr. BOYD. Captain Fritz got it from some man there on the sixth floor. He came up and talked to him a minute and then he told Mr. Sims and I that we should check this Lee Harvey Oswald out, and that was the address they gave us--it was in Irving, Tex.