Mr. SIMS. Well, it was either Studebaker or Lieutenant Day. Mr. BALL. Who saw the picture taken--did you? Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. And then what did you do? Mr. SIMS. Then we finished there and went--started to go to the city hall. Mr. BALL. You said you finished there, did you see anything of significance there besides these hulls and the rifle? Mr. SIMS. No, sir. Mr. BALL. Did you ever see a paper bag? Mr. SIMS. Well, we saw some wrappings--a brown wrapping there. Mr. BALL. Where did you see it? Mr. SIMS. It was there by the hulls. Mr. BALL. Was it right there near the hulls? Mr. SIMS. As well as I remember--of course, I didn't pay too much attention at that time, but it was, I believe, by the east side of where the boxes were piled up--that would be a guess--I believe that's where it was. Mr. BALL. On the east side of where the boxes were--would that be the east? Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir; it was right near the stack of boxes there. I know there was some loose paper there. Mr. BALL. Was Johnson there? Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir; when the wrapper was found Captain Fritz stationed Johnson and Montgomery to observe the scene there where the hulls were found. Mr. BALL. To stay there? Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. That was Marvin Johnson and L. D. Montgomery who stayed by the hulls? Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir; they did. I was going back and forth, from the wrapper to the hulls. Mr. BALL. Was the window open in the southeast corner? Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Were there any boxes near the window? Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir; there was enough room for someone to stand between the boxes and the window. Mr. BALL. Were there any boxes anywhere near the window ledge? Mr. SIMS. Yes; there was, I believe, I'm not positive about this, a couple of boxes, one stacked on the other right at the left of the window and then there was a stack of boxes directly behind the window about 3 or 4 feet high, I guess. Mr. BALL. Did you see anybody take a picture of the boxes in the window--what position they were on the window ledge? Mr. SIMS. Well, Lieutenant Day took a picture of all the surrounding area there. Mr. BALL. How long were you on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository Building? Mr. SIMS. Well, sir; let's see--at the time the hulls were found, I think the hulls were found about 1:15, so we were down there just a minute or two. Let's see--we got back to the city hall at 2:15 and we went over and talked to Sheriff Decker 10 or 15 minutes. Mr. BALL. Now, when you left, you say that Captain Fritz told Johnson and Montgomery to stay near the place where the hulls were located? Mr. SIMS. Yes. Mr. BALL. Was that after the picture had been taken of the hulls? Mr. SIMS. I believe it was during--before Lieutenant Day got up there, I believe. Mr. BALL. And it was after that that you went to the place where the rifle was found? Mr. SIMS. Yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Then did you go back to the place where the hulls were located on the floor?