Mr. BELIN. What do your notes say you talked to Rowland about? What did Rowland say, according to your notes? Mr. TURNER. Said he was standing. I don't know whether he was with his wife or his girl friend, I don't know what connection, they were standing on Houston between Main and Elm, approximately 15 minutes before the President arrived. They saw a man standing back in the background of an open window two floors from the top. Mr. BELIN. Two floors from the top? Mr. TURNER. That is what he said. The man appeared to have a rifle with scope on it in his hand and he noticed another thing that he said about this, he said the man was standing on the west side of the building. Mr. BELIN. The west side of the south side of the building? Mr. TURNER. Yes. Mr. BELIN. What else did he say? Mr. TURNER. He thought it was a security man, is the reason that he made no issue of it. I am unable to give a description except a white man, and that he heard three shots. Mr. BELIN. Did he say how much of the man he saw, or not; do you remember? Mr. TURNER. No, sir; I don't remember any further. There was a court reporter there and so forth, and they took an affidavit of him at the time. Mr. BELIN. Did he say anything about seeing any other man in the window in any other windows there? Mr. TURNER. Not that I recall. Mr. BELIN. All right, did you interview any Ronald Fischer or a Robert Edwards? Mr. TURNER. I got a Ronald Fischer and Bob Edwards. Mr. BELIN. What do you have about them? Mr. TURNER. They said they saw a white man in his twenties standing on the fifth floor of the Book Building in the east window. Had on an open-necked sports shirt and had sandy-colored hair. And said the hair was longer than a crewcut. Mr. BELIN. What else did they say? Mr. TURNER. That is all the notes I have. Like I said, there was an affidavit taken from them at the time, too. Mr. BELIN. Now this is with regards to the--do you have this under Fischer or under Edwards, or both? Mr. TURNER. Under both. They were more or less together at the time. Mr. BELIN. Did they think they could identify the man? Mr. TURNER. Thought they said they could identify him. Mr. BELIN. Did you ever take pictures out for either one of them? Mr. TURNER. Yes; I have. Mr. BELIN. Which one? Mr. TURNER. The one that lives in Mesquite, whichever one that is. Mr. BELIN. That is Ronald Fischer? Mr. TURNER. Whatever that is. Mr. BELIN. What did Fischer say about the pictures? Mr. TURNER. He said it could be the man he saw, but he couldn't remember positive. Mr. BELIN. Did he give you any more identification of the man? Mr. TURNER. None other than that. Mr. BELIN. You were at the sheriff's office then and took part in the taking of various affidavits there? Mr. TURNER. I questioned witnesses. I didn't take any of the affidavits, but they did send court reporters and secretaries up and affidavits was taken from them.