Mr. LUJAN. No, sir; not with me. Mr. BALL. We have your address where you are working? Mr. LUJAN. 2405 South Ervay. TESTIMONY OF C. W. BROWN The testimony of C. W. Brown was taken at 3:30 p.m., on April 3, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. David W. Belin, assistant counsel of the President's Commission. Mr. BELIN. Let's get you sworn in here. Do you want to stand and raise your right hand? Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Mr. BROWN. I do. Mr. BELIN. Would you state your name for the record, please. Mr. BROWN. C. W. Brown. Mr. BELIN. Where do you live, Mr. Brown? Mr. BROWN. I live in DeSoto, Tex. Mr. BELIN. Is that a suburb of Dallas? Mr. BROWN. Yes, sir. Mr. BELIN. What is your occupation? Mr. BROWN. Police officer. Mr. BELIN. How long have you been a police officer? Mr. BROWN. Thirteen years. Mr. BELIN. Where are you from originally? Mr. BROWN. Dallas, and DeSoto is my home. Mr. BELIN. You go to school there? Mr. BROWN. Yes. Mr. BELIN. How far did you go through school? Mr. BROWN. Through high school. Mr. BELIN. Did you graduate from the high school in DeSoto? Mr. BROWN. Yes. Mr. BELIN. Then what did you do? Mr. BROWN. I went into the Navy. Mr. BELIN. What did you do in the Navy? Mr. BROWN. Spent 3 years in the Navy during World War II. Mr. BELIN. How old are you, by the way? Mr. BROWN. Thirty-eight. Mr. BELIN. Married? Mr. BROWN. No; divorced. Mr. BELIN. You were in the Navy for 3 years? Mr. BROWN. Yes. Mr. BELIN. What were you doing when you got out of the Navy? Mr. BROWN. When I got out of the Navy I was employed by the Southwestern Bell Telephone Co. Mr. BELIN. What did you do in the Navy, by the way? Mr. BROWN. During the war I was a coxswain, as a third class petty officer, in the amphibious branch of the Navy. Then after the war the peace was signed and I was a radioman until my discharge in 1944. Mr. BELIN. What did you do after the war? Mr. BROWN. I started to work for the Southwestern Bell Telephone Co. Mr. BELIN. As what? Mr. BROWN. As an installer. Mr. BELIN. Of telephones? Mr. BROWN. Yes; I was employed with those people 5 years before I went to work for the city of Dallas. Mr. BELIN. Is there anything--well, what did you do after that? Just go to work for the city of Dallas Police Department? Mr. BROWN. Yes; I have been with those people ever since. Mr. BELIN. How long now? Mr. BROWN. Thirteen years. Mr. BELIN. What is your position now? Mr. BROWN. I am detective in the homicide and robbery bureau. Mr. BELIN. Were you on duty on November 22, 1963? Mr. BROWN. Yes, sir; I was. Mr. BELIN. What were you doing around noon or so? Mr. BROWN. I was booking a prisoner in at the city hall, with Detective J. R. Leavelle. Mr. BELIN. When did you first hear of the shooting of the President?