Mr. BELIN. Did you have any conversation with him when you picked him up at his jail cell? Mr. GRAVES. No. Mr. BELIN. Did you remember telling him he was going to be brought down for interrogation? Mr. GRAVES. I told him they were going to transfer him. Mr. BELIN. That is what you told him? Mr. GRAVES. Yes. Mr. BELIN. What did he say as to that? Mr. GRAVES. Well, he didn't have anything to say. He didn't know what transfer meant, I don't think. I think he meant from one jail cell to another. He didn't know that meant going to the county. Mr. BELIN. When you brought him down to Captain Fritz' office, he of course had been there before, hadn't he? Mr. GRAVES. Oh, yes. Mr. BELIN. Did he have any comments as he walked in the office about being interrogated or anything of that nature? Mr. GRAVES. I don't know. He might have said something to the news media, I don't remember what it was. Mr. BELIN. What is the fact as to whether or not Lee Harvey Oswald ever requested that he be provided a lawyer, insofar as your own personal knowledge is concerned? Did he ever make any such request to you or in your presence? Mr. GRAVES. No, no; sure didn't. Mr. BELIN. Do you know of your own personal knowledge whether or not he was ever advised that he had a right to have a lawyer? Mr. GRAVES. Not in my presence. Mr. BELIN. This is what I am asking, then, just of your own knowledge? Mr. GRAVES. No; he wasn't. Mr. BELIN. He might have been by someone else, but it wasn't done before you? Mr. GRAVES. Might have been by someone else, but not in my presence. Mr. BELIN. Was this as much contact as you had with Oswald? You indicate you saw him in a showup and you picked him up in a jail cell and you brought him down to be interrogated on November 24, when you were present during about 10 minutes, the latter part of this interrogation. Any other contacts with Oswald apart from these? Mr. GRAVES. No; not that I had direct contact with him. Mr. BELIN. What was your impression of him, as far as a person is concerned? His demeanor, his action, what kind of a person he was? Mr. GRAVES. Well, of course I am not a psychiatrist or psychologist, but I would say he was an eight ball, in my vernacular. Mr. BELIN. An eight ball in Army vernacular? Mr. GRAVES. In any vernacular. We deal with a lot of people in our business, as well as we run into all types of people. I would say that he was egotistical. Mr. BELIN. Let me stop right there. What gave you the impression he was egotistical? Mr. GRAVES. Well, I don't know. A person of his nature and cocky attitude, I don't know exactly how to explain it. Mr. BELIN. Any specific thing that he did that gave you that impression, that you can remember at all, or not?