Mrs. MURRET. Oh, yes. Mr. JENNER. Is that about the pattern of what happened when these incidents would arise? Mrs. MURRET. Yes; I think so. Mr. JENNER. Did you make efforts to get along with her, since you were the older sister and really head of the family? Mrs. MURRET. Yes; I did. Mr. JENNER. Did you try to mollify her and tell her that she shouldn't act that way? Mrs. MURRET. Well, that was all in later years. That was after her marriage and after my marriage, naturally. She might not like something my children were doing and so forth, and I told her that I always believed my children, whatever they told me. She asked me if I did that, and I said yes; I did, and that I had reason to believe them. I had faith in them, and I felt they would always do the right thing. Mr. JENNER. She questioned that? Mrs. MURRET. With me, yes; I mean, about the children. Mr. JENNER. She questioned you to the extent that she thought it was unwise, or she didn't get it that you should have faith in your children? Mrs. MURRET. That's right. She told me at one time, and I can remember this incident that happened if you want me to tell it. Mr. JENNER. Go ahead and tell me about it. Mrs. MURRET. The incident was just recently, I may say. My son John was just married October 5. Mr. JENNER. Of what year? Mrs. MURRET. This year, 1963--this past year. Mr. JENNER. Your son John? Mrs. MURRET. Yes; well, she was over at the house---- Mr. JENNER. Who are you talking about now? Mrs. MURRET. Marguerite Mr. JENNER. All right, Marguerite was over at the house, and what happened? Mrs. MURRET. Before he married this girl that he did marry, there was a young lady that he would invite over to our home quite often, you see, so Marguerite was over at the house at that time. Mr. JENNER. You are talking about your house? Mrs. MURRET. Yes; my house; and she was just visiting alone, and it was a rainy day, and John and this girl friend--we were all in the front room, so to pass the time, they were passing notes to one another, and so the next day she told me about that, and she said that they were passing notes about her, so I questioned John about it, and he laughed. He has a very good disposition, and he laughed and he said, "Well, of all things," and he said, "We were passing notes telling each other what our bad traits are." He said, "She would pass me a note telling me about a bad trait I had, and then I would pass a note back to her and tell her a bad trait that she had." They were getting a big bang out of that, but Marguerite was under the impression that they were talking about her, and so I told her, I said, "Well, I believe John," and she said, "Do you believe everything they tell you?" and I said, "Yes; I believe what they tell me." Now, this was just last fall that was. Mr. JENNER. Was that just this last fall, in October? Mrs. MURRET. No. Now, John was married in October, but I hadn't seen--this was quite a while previous to that--maybe 2 years.