Mr. JENNER. During that period of time of her marriage to Lee Oswald, did you have much contact with your sister Marguerite? Mrs. MURRET. No; not very much. Like I said, I had five children myself, and we didn't have a car; so we stayed at home a lot. Mr. Murret is a man who don't care to visit relatives too much, and we didn't visit them. They came over when they would be out riding around; in other words, they might stop by or something like that, but we didn't do much visiting. Mr. JENNER. Your husband's given name is Charles F.; is that right? Mrs. MURRET. Yes, sir; they call him "Dutz." Mr. JENNER. That's his nickname? Mrs. MURRET. Yes. Mr. JENNER. Is that D-u-t-z? Mrs. MURRET. Yes; and they put it in the telephone book that way, because he was in the fight game years ago. He managed some fighters, and they have a lot of contact with sportswriters, and they knew him by the name of "Dutz," so that's why he went and put it in the telephone book, rather than Charles, so that they would know who he was, I guess. Mr. JENNER. Does he still use that name? Mrs. MURRET. He does. Mr. JENNER. Is your telephone listed in that name? Mrs. MURRET. Yes; that's what I said. It's still listed that way. His uncle gave him that nickname when he was a small child, and I always knew him by the name of "Dutz." I never call him anything else but that, but his family always called him Charles. Mr. JENNER. What business is he in? Mrs. MURRET. What's that? Mr. JENNER. What is your husband's business again? Mrs. MURRET. He works as a clerk. Mr. JENNER. Is there anything else you can remember about Lee Oswald, the father of Lee Harvey Oswald? Mrs. MURRET. I don't remember anything else; no. I didn't know anything about him at all other than being an insurance clerk and coming around the house to collect insurance. He sort of maybe seemed to be a little forward maybe, I thought, but, like a lot of insurance men, maybe it helps on the debits, you know. Mr. JENNER. He was aggressive in collecting the accounts; do you mean? Mrs. MURRET. Yes. Mr. JENNER. But not forward in any other respect? Mrs. MURRET. No; not that I know of. Mr. JENNER. I mean he was a gentleman? Mrs. MURRET. As far as I know. Mr. JENNER. Do you know anything about his family? Mrs. MURRET. I know nothing about the Oswald family. I only met one brother who was the godfather of Lee--little Lee Oswald, you know--and I think his name was Harvey, maybe. I wouldn't be sure about that. Mr. JENNER. Harvey? Mrs. MURRET. I believe that's what it was, but that's about all I know about the Oswald family. He's the only one I knew or ever saw. Mr. JENNER. Do you know where Harvey Oswald is now? Mrs. MURRET. He's dead now. I just saw him one time, and that was after Lee was born. He came over to the house, and I think they were friendly with Marguerite and all, but all of a sudden there was no more friendship. I don't know why.