Mrs. MURRET. That's right; I didn't know he had gone over there at all. I didn't know he went until after he went. Mr. JENNER. How did you learn he was in Russia? Did his mother tell you that he was in Russia? Mrs. MURRET. That he had defected, yes. That was about the time she had this accident, I remember, and then he got out of the Marines. Mr. JENNER. Now, that was before he defected; right? Mrs. MURRET. Yes; that was before he went to Russia. He got out of the Marines and he came to see her, and he had all that money, but he didn't give her any of it, I don't think, but $10. I think he gave her $10, she told me, and then he left, supposedly to come to New Orleans, so she thought, so I didn't hear from her any more until she learned by him from letter that he was in Russia. Mr. JENNER. So she told you that; is that right? Mrs. MURRET. She told me; yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. Was the fact that he had defected prominently displayed in the New Orleans papers? Mrs. MURRET. Well, not here so much, but in Fort Worth and so forth, over there, they mentioned it; they made quite a to do about it. Mr. JENNER. There was nothing in the New Orleans papers about it? Mrs. MURRET. I don't think. There might have been. Mr. JENNER. Well, at least it didn't come to your attention? Mrs. MURRET. I don't think they had anything here about that at all, but they did have it a lot in the Fort Worth paper. Mr. JENNER. Did she send any of those newspaper clippings to you? Mrs. MURRET. No; she came down here. Mr. JENNER. To New Orleans? Mrs. MURRET. Yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. And she told you all about it? Mrs. MURRET. She told me all about it, what she knew about it. She didn't know too much about it, she said, why he did it or anything like that, but she said that he had a right to go any place he wanted to go, I believe. Mr. JENNER. Did she seem to think he was living in the pattern that she had brought him up in? Mrs. MURRET. What's that? Mr. JENNER. Did she seem to think that he was living in the pattern that she had brought him up in, that is, to be independent? Mrs. MURRET. Well, it's hard to judge that. When you only have one person, or one child, maybe you do have a tendency to feel that way, but who knows what's in a person's mind. I think your mind is what really belongs to you, and I don't think anyone knows what's running through your mind. I really believe that, so I couldn't tell you how she felt about it, or how he felt about it, or what made him do the things he did. I can only tell you what I think, but that doesn't mean that I know, because I really don't. You just can't tell what's running through a person's mind. You may think you know their mind, but you don't, I don't think. I think he went over there because he wasn't satisfied with the life he was living, and maybe he wanted to see how it was over there, I guess; I don't know. Mr. JENNER. Did you have any conversations with him about it? Mrs. MURRET. After he came back?