Mrs. MURRET. Yes; he was at the seminary, and they were saving foreign stamps in connection with something over at the seminary, so he took that card with him, and after I had written the card to Lee, the children tore it up, so I didn't have the address any more. When I wrote to Lee--I didn't want to write anything in a letter, you know, so I just wrote it on an open card, but the children tore that up and I lost the address, so I couldn't write to him at that point. Mr. JENNER. You did write a card, but your children tore it up? Mrs. MURRET. Well, my grandchildren; it was just a postcard, you know. Mr. JENNER. So there wasn't any communication between you or any member of your family and Lee while he was in Russia, is that right? Mrs. MURRET. That's right. We just got that one card from Lee, and I never answered it because the card was destroyed before I could mail it. Mr. JENNER. When next did you hear about Lee? I mean now, before you saw him, when next did you hear about him? Mrs. MURRET. Well, I just heard that he was over in Russia, that he had defected to that country, but they came to New Orleans after that, and then they went back to Texas. Mr. JENNER. You mean Marguerite? Mrs. MURRET. Yes; they were over here after that. Mr. JENNER. Did she live in New Orleans for a while then? Mrs. MURRET. No. Mr. JENNER. She just came for a visit? Mrs. MURRET. Yes. Mr. JENNER. Did she stay with you? Mrs. MURRET. She stayed with me; yes. Mr. JENNER. And you had discussions during that time about his going to Russia? Mrs. MURRET. Well, not too much. Mr. JENNER. What statements were made, if any? I mean, what was your impression? Mrs. MURRET. Well, she seemed kind of upset about it. I mean, she tried to get him to get back to the States, but she said he didn't talk to her over the telephone. Mr. JENNER. You mean she tried to reach him by telephone? Mrs. MURRET. Yes, sir. The paper office over there in Fort Worth was the one who contacted Lee at the hotel over there, but he didn't talk. He hung up. I believe Robbie tried to get him back, and so forth, but that's all I know about it. So then we didn't hear any more from her after she left here. She said she was going to get lost. Mr. JENNER. She said that to you? Mrs. MURRET. Yes. She said nobody was going to know where she was going. Mr. JENNER. Why? Mrs. MURRET. I don't know why, so then I didn't hear from her any more until one day the telephone rang and I answered the phone, and Lee said, "Hello, Aunt Lillian," and I didn't recognize his voice, and not thinking about Lee, you know, and I have other nephews, and I said, "Who is this?" and he said, "This is Lee," and I said, "Lee?" and he said, "Yes."