Mr. JENNER. You mean it was 99 blocks distance from your house to their house? Mrs. MURRET. That's right. Mr. JENNER. All right, go ahead. Mrs. MURRET. Well, they made this trip by streetcar and bus, and we didn't even know they were coming, and they had the baby stroller and everything that belonged to the baby with them. Mr. JENNER. This is Lee and Marina, now? Mrs. MURRET. Yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. That was 2 weeks later that they came out to your house? Mrs. MURRET. Yes; and the baby. I was trying to make friends with the baby and the baby was crying. It looked like the poor child never saw anyone before in her life. Mr. JENNER. You had this feeling, did you? Mrs. MURRET. Yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. You have reared some fine children, and you have grandchildren? Mrs. MURRET. Yes. Mr. JENNER. I take it you have a knack with babies and children? Mrs. MURRET. Yes. Mr. JENNER. And you seemed to have trouble with Lee's baby, with this baby? Mrs. MURRET. Yes; naturally she had never seen me before, and she didn't speak the English language. Marina made her understand things in Russian, and so I took the baby outside with me to make friends with the baby and she kept crying, and Marina kept telling her to look at me, and after a while she made friends, you know, and so then Lee decided that they would go out. I had a baby bed in the house which I have for all my children, and my daughter still uses the baby bed, so anyway, Marina and Lee wanted to go to the lakeside which isn't too far from my home. Mr. JENNER. What is the lakeside? Mrs. MURRET. Pontchartrain Lake. I guess that would be about 12 blocks from where I live. Mr. JENNER. About a mile-and-a-half? Mrs. MURRET. About that. They decided to go crabbing, and so they got a net and some crab bait, and the baby meantime went to sleep, so Lee left the baby with me in the crib, and they went out to the lake. Mr. JENNER. How did they get out there? Mrs. MURRET. Marilyn drove them. Mr. JENNER. Your daughter Marilyn? Mrs. MURRET. Yes; she drove them out to the lake. Mr. JENNER. Did Lee know how to drive a car? Mrs. MURRET. I don't think he did. I never saw him drive a car. Mr. JENNER. You have never seen Lee behind the wheel of a car, operating an automobile? Mrs. MURRET. Never. Mr. JENNER. Did you ever hear that he did know how to drive an automobile, though? Mrs. MURRET. No; I don't think he did, because when they went to New York, when he went with his mother, she drove, she always drove. I never knew him to drive. Mr. JENNER. So anyway, Marilyn took them out to Pontchartrain Beach, and they went crabbing; is that right?