Miss MURRET. As far as I know, he didn't drive, and my brother took him one day out through the park to attempt to teach him for about an hour. But he had to turn down several jobs because he didn't drive. And whether he is able to drive after one lesson like that, I don't know. Mr. LIEBELER. As far as you know, did your brother ever let Lee take his car and go by himself. Miss MURRET. No. Mr. LIEBELER. This was your brother John? Miss MURRET. Yes. Mr. LIEBELER. Did he ever tell you how well Oswald did? Miss MURRET. Well, it was a hydramatic and he could just steer it, and that was about all, and with subsequent lessons he would have been able to drive. But I doubt, and I don't think there was any traffic--I think it was in the park. Mr. LIEBELER. Did you see Mrs. Paine again when she came to pick up Marina and take her back to Texas? Miss MURRET. I only saw her once, and that was for about 10 or 15 minutes. Mr. LIEBELER. And that was in May 1963? Miss MURRET. Yes. Mr. LIEBELER. Did you know Lee had lost his job with the Reily Coffee Co. sometime during the summer? Miss MURRET. I guess he did--I don't know if that was after I came back or before, when he lost it. I don't know when he lost it. When did he lose it? Mr. LIEBELER. He lost it in July, sometime, while you were gone. Miss MURRET. Well, 2 weeks at my sister's about July 1, and from there, 13 days, because the 14th is my birthday, I left. Mr. LIEBELER. You learned that he had lost it when you got back to New Orleans? When you got back to New Orleans, you knew that he had lost the job and was unemployed? Miss MURRET. Yes. Mr. LIEBELER. Was he looking around for another job? Do you know? Miss MURRET. I don't know. I only saw them once after that, and that was Labor Day. I didn't ask him anything. Mr. LIEBELER. You mentioned this trip that you had been on, and you mentioned that you were in Japan? Miss MURRET. Yes. Mr. LIEBELER. How long were you out of the United States, and where did you go, and what did you do? Miss MURRET. Three and a half years, and I started out on my way and went to Hong Kong, the Philippines, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, which was not a part of Malaysia at the time, Malaya, and straight on around, just following the bottom--I went all through, Beirut, the Holy Land, Egypt, Cyprus, and all through Europe and back. Mr. LIEBELER. Did you work during the time you were gone on this trip? Miss MURRET. I worked in Australia and New Zealand and Japan. Mr. LIEBELER. As a teacher? Miss MURRET. As a teacher; yes. Mr. LIEBELER. Did you teach in Australian schools or---- Miss MURRET. Yes. Mr. LIEBELER. Did you have any trouble with the teacher certification problems, or don't they have that problem in those places? Miss MURRET. Well, it depends what your field is. I was teaching science, which is the same--they have a teacher's college which is 2 years, and, if anything, you would have more than they have.