Mr. PIC. No, sir; only on the picture; and that was just up to about the 1-year age, that I actually seen him. Mr. JENNER. You did see him when he was about a year old? Mr. PIC. Yes; up to about a year old. Mr. JENNER. But from that time on to the present day, you have never seen him? Mr. PIC. No, I have never seen my boy since that time. Mr. JENNER. When was the last time you saw Marguerite? Mr. PIC. Oh, that's been a long, long time. Mr. JENNER. Could that have been as long a period as 37 years that you haven't seen Marguerite? Mr. PIC. Well, yes; that's about correct, sir; it's very close to that. Mr. JENNER. 37 years? Mr. PIC. Yes, sir. Mr. JENNER. And you never knew Lee at all; you never saw him, did you? Mr. PIC. No. Mr. JENNER. You didn't even know he was born, or when he was born, did you? Mr. PIC. No, sir; I knew she had two children now, but what their names were, I didn't know that. Now, a few days after the assassination, which I hate to mention, her name struck me all of a sudden, but I didn't think even then that she was the Oswald mixed up in this, and her son, and all. I said to my wife, "Honey, do you realize who that is?" and she said, "Yes, I figured who it was all the time, but I didn't want to mention it to you and bring all that up." I didn't realize that it was her boy at all. Mr. JENNER. Did you know her husband, Lee Oswald? Mr. PIC. No; I never met him. Mr. JENNER. You never did meet him and you never did hear of him, is that right? Mr. PIC. That's right; I never did even hear of him. Mr. JENNER. Did you know a man by the name of Ekdahl? Mr. PIC. No; not to my knowledge; no, sir. Mr. JENNER. Did you know she was married to him at one time? Mr. PIC. No, sir. Mr. JENNER. Had you known him up to that moment? Mr. PIC. No; not till I read about him in the paper--that she had another marriage and it broke up, I believe, or something. It was in the paper. Mr. JENNER. And your boy John didn't communicate with you at that time? Mr. PIC. Never has; no, sir. I never got any word from John. I guess he forgot about me. He was too young to realize, and maybe his mother never did tell him about his old man. Mr. JENNER. Well, to be completely charitable about it, you don't even know if he knows you are alive, do you? Mr. PIC. That's right. Mr. JENNER. You never can tell about those things? Mr. PIC. No; you never know. Mr. JENNER. Well, Mr. Pic, I appreciate your coming in today. I know it has been some inconvenience to you. I have no further questions. Mr. PIC. Well, like I say, I never did know about her marriage to Mr. Oswald, other than I had known that she remarried, and his name was mentioned to me.