Dr. HARTOGS. No; it is all spontaneous. Mr. LIEBELER. Just a spontaneous, informal sort of thing? Dr. HARTOGS. That is right. Mr. LIEBELER. No one made any memorandum of what occurred at that time? Dr. HARTOGS. No. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you have any records relating to the seminar? Dr. HARTOGS. No; there are never any records, never anything written down; it is purely informal. Mr. LIEBELER. The only writings that would have been at the seminar would have been the reports that had been previously prepared by you and by the other members of the Youth House staff; is that correct? Dr. HARTOGS. Right. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you recall what recommendation you made to the court in respect of Oswald? Dr. HARTOGS. If I can recall correctly, I recommended that this youngster should be committed to an institution. Mr. LIEBELER. What type of institution, do you recall? Dr. HARTOGS. No; that I don't recall. No. Mr. LIEBELER. But you are quite clear in your recollection that you recommended that he be institutionalized immediately because of the personality pattern disturbance; is that correct? Dr. HARTOGS. Yes; that is right. That I remember; yes. Mr. LIEBELER. How long did Oswald stay at the Youth House, do you know? Dr. HARTOGS. Not exactly. Not exactly. Anything from 4 to 8 weeks, that is the average stay. Mr. LIEBELER. The Youth House is a place the basic function of which is observation of children in a controlled environment; would you say? Dr. HARTOGS. Controlled environment for the purpose of psychiatric observation or for the purpose of detention pending court appearance, or custodial care of the child pending his commitment, I mean his actual transfer to a child-caring or custodial institution such as a training school. These are the three purposes. Mr. LIEBELER. The Youth House is not the kind of place where a boy would be kept indefinitely after he had been committed, or something like that? Dr. HARTOGS. No, the average is about 2 to 3 months; I mean 3 months is maximum. Mr. LIEBELER. Can you recall what kind of institution you recommended that Oswald be committed to? Dr. HARTOGS. I never make a recommendation as to the name, the specific institution. This is a prerogative of the court. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you make a recommendation as to the type of institution to which you recommend a child? Dr. HARTOGS. Yes; I do that, either a mental hospital or training school or residential treatment center, but I do not recall in this case what I recommended. Mr. LIEBELER. But you do recall quite clearly that you did recommend, because of this boy's personality pattern, disturbance? Dr. HARTOGS. Yes; that he should not be placed in the community. Mr. LIEBELER. Or placed on probation? Dr. HARTOGS. Yes; that is right. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you recall being interviewed on this question by the FBI? Dr. HARTOGS. Yes. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember approximately when they interviewed you? Dr. HARTOGS. No; I don't know the date.