Mrs. SIEGEL. After the President's assassination, the name meant nothing to me. As the biographies in the papers started to appear, and it was said that this boy was in Youth House in 1953, I believe it was, I had a vague stirring of memory, and I then said to my husband that somehow I have a mental picture of this youngster. At the time I attributed him not to me but to another worker. I somehow thought that he was assigned to another worker. But I had a picture of what he looked like, and the only reason that I think I remember him is that he was from Texas, and he was distinctive because he had an accent that was different from most of the children I saw, and he wore blue jeans, which most of our kids didn't wear in those days. And that was all I remembered about it. I remembered absolutely nothing about him at all. Mr. LIEBELER. And your recollection of Lee Oswald is still the same as it was at that time? Mrs. SIEGEL. Sitting in the corner of my office, a slim, skinny little boy. Mr. LIEBELER. That is to say, you have not been able to refresh your recollection? Mrs. SIEGEL. No. Mr. LIEBELER. And improve it at all? Mrs. SIEGEL. No. Mr. LIEBELER. Since the---- Mrs. SIEGEL. No. I must have seen between 400 and 450 boys a year in those days. I don't remember. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember talking to his mother at all? Mrs. SIEGEL. No; I do not. I don't even know if I saw her. I am terribly curious to see my report again. Mr. LIEBELER. How long do you know Dr. Hartogs? Mrs. SIEGEL. Well, we were associated over a period of from 1952 to 1958--6 years. Mr. LIEBELER. Have you seen him since that time? Mrs. SIEGEL. No; we don't see each other socially at all. Mr. LIEBELER. And you haven't spoken to him? Mrs. SIEGEL. No; I haven't. Mr. LIEBELER. About the Oswald case; is that right? Mrs. SIEGEL. No; I haven't seen him since I left Youth House. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you have any recollection that from time to time the psychiatrist, Dr. Hartogs, would give seminars as a technique to instruct or provide examples to the social workers and perhaps the psychologists and other employees of Youth House? Mrs. SIEGEL. Well, I don't remember that Dr. Hartogs gave the seminars. We all participated in them, social workers and psychiatrists. I remember them vividly. I was a participant, myself. Mr. LIEBELER. I didn't mean to characterize Dr. Hartogs' role as being the sole role. Mrs. SIEGEL. Oh, no. Mr. LIEBELER. But there were seminars? Mrs. SIEGEL. Oh, there were seminars. Certainly. I misunderstood you. Yes; there were seminars which took place weekly. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you have any recollection that Lee Oswald was the subject of one of these seminars? Mrs. SIEGEL. No; I do not. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you have any recollection of what the reason for Oswald's being remanded to Youth House was? Mrs. SIEGEL. I only read in the paper that it was truancy. Mr. LIEBELER. And you have no independent recollection about it otherwise at all?