Mr. JENNER. And that was in 1954, you say? Mrs. EVANS. Yes; maybe not exactly that year, but along about there. Mr. JENNER. Did you get to see both of them frequently? Mrs. EVANS. Practically every day. Mr. JENNER. All right. Now, tell me about this period while they lived at your home. Just transport yourself back to 10 years ago. What did Lee Oswald look like? Mrs. EVANS. What did he look like? Mr. JENNER. Yes; and what did he do? What impression did he make on you then, not what you heard, but what you remember now about him? Mrs. EVANS. Well, he was more spoiled. Mr. JENNER. More than before? Mrs. EVANS. Yes; he had gotten older, and he wanted his way, and he was a teenager then, and like all teenagers, he was very difficult. Of course, I guess all teenagers are that way, because they are not yet grown and they are not a child either. The best of them are very trying, and it is hard to keep them in line. In that respect Lee wasn't any different than any other teenaged boy, I guess. Mr. JENNER. Now, this was the period after which Lee returned from New York; is that right? Mrs. EVANS. Yes; after they came here from New York. Mr. JENNER. With his mother? Mrs. EVANS. Yes. Mr. JENNER. What did they say to you as to why they returned from New York and came to New Orleans? Mrs. EVANS. Well, I don't know that they said anything, but it seems to me now that they came right from Texas over to New Orleans then, not right from New York. I could be mistaken there, but I think they went back to Texas from New York. Maybe they did come right from New York, but I can't remember that far back. I know that they had divorced, and although no one told me, I just put two and two together, and it was my opinion that Lee evidently was just so spoiled and demanded so much of his mother's attention that they didn't get along--I mean, her and Ekdahl, because of Lee. Now, that's my opinion. She never told me why. Mr. JENNER. That's just your surmise? Mrs. EVANS. Yes, sir; I can't help feeling that if she had put Lee in a boarding school, she might have hung onto her meal ticket, and considering Mr. Ekdahl's condition and everything, if all that hadn't happened, she would have been sitting on top of the world. She wouldn't have had another worry in her life, as far as money goes, but instead her children came first, I mean, Lee. She just poured out all her love on him, it seemed like. Mr. JENNER. Did she ever say anything to you about her experiences in New York City? Mrs. EVANS. No. Mr. JENNER. She never said anything to you that would have given you an indication as to whether she had come from New York rather than Texas, or vice versa? Mrs. EVANS. No; not that I recall, but it is my distinct feeling that she stayed in New York awhile and then moved to Texas again, and then over to New Orleans--Fort Worth, I think, but I can't say that for sure.