Mr. JENNER. On what do you base that? Mr. TAYLOR. I base that on--uh--their desire, first of all, to--uh--return to Russia at one time and live there; uh--they have traveled together behind the Iron Curtain; uh--they took a trip to Mexico, through Mexico, on the avowed purpose of walking from Laredo, Tex., to the tip of South America---- Mr. JENNER. Panama? Mr. TAYLOR. And---- Mr. JENNER. On beyond that? Mr. TAYLOR. Beyond--to the tip of South America--the southern tip of South America. Mr. JENNER. All right. Mr. TAYLOR. Uh--and this they claim to have done, yet further information indicated to me that their trip extended only to the portion of South America where the Cuban refugees were being trained to invade Cuba and that this trip coincided and that they were in the area while all this training was going on. And, so, from that--from these observations---- Mr. JENNER. Do you conclude that they were attempting to spy on that invasion preparation? Mr. TAYLOR. Yes; because where--they went to Guatemala where the invasion troops were being trained, or they were in Guatemala when they were supposed to be on a walking trip, and had taken up residence in the unoccupied home of some acquaintances there and--unbeknowing to anyone--and when these acquaintances returned---- Mr. JENNER. This was the trip during the time you were married to their daughter? Mr. TAYLOR. Yes. Mr. JENNER. You are basing this information on communications from them, conversations with your wife, conversations that occurred after they returned? Mr. TAYLOR. Yes; and to clarify it on the last point here, about them being in Guatemala, in conversations with Nancy Tilton. Mr. JENNER. Yes; I asked you about her. Who is Nancy Tilton? Mr. TAYLOR. Nancy Tilton is the cousin who brought up my former wife, Alex, after she was born. Her mother never took her from the hospital. This Mrs. Tilton did. And on a visit to Mrs. Tilton's home, the people---- Mr. JENNER. Mrs. Tilton reared her? Mr. TAYLOR. Yes; to age 14. On a visit to Mrs. Tilton's home---- Mr. JENNER. Where is that? Mr. TAYLOR. In Tubac, Ariz. Uh--Mrs. Tilton remarked that some friends of hers, the people in question in Guatemala, had found them living in their home---- Mr. JENNER. Had found the De Mohrenschildts there? Mr. TAYLOR. Yes, living in their home in Guatemala and had forcefully evicted them from it. Mr. JENNER. That the Tiltons had forcefully evicted the De Mohrenschildts from the Tilton home in Guatemala? Mr. TAYLOR. No; it isn't the Tiltons' home in Guatemala. It was a friend of the Tiltons. I don't remember their names. Mr. JENNER. Well, who was evicted? The De Mohrenschildts or the people who owned the house? Mr. TAYLOR. The De Mohrenschildts were evicted when the people who owned it returned. Mr. JENNER. In other words, you gather from that that they had not had advance permission to occupy that home?