Mr. GREGORY. I think he said something about it was just an accident where maybe 1 out of 10 just happens to get through where they allow it. He seemed to think there was no special reason that they let her go. It was more or less an accident. Mr. LIEBELER. Did he say that to you? Mr. GREGORY. Or an exception, yes, as I remember. Mr. LIEBELER. So that he indicated to you his surprise that Marina had been permitted to leave the Soviet Union with him? Mr. GREGORY. Yes. Mr. LIEBELER. He explained it basically in terms of an accident or something that he couldn't readily explain? Mr. GREGORY. Yes. Mr. LIEBELER. Did he offer as a suggestion as to why they had permitted Marina to come back anything to the effect that it was a time of reduced tension between the Soviet Union and the United States? Mr. GREGORY. Not that I can remember. Mr. LIEBELER. Can you remember anything else that he said about the subject of Marina being able to come back with him? Mr. GREGORY. No. Marina spoke of it as being a very horrible time with all her friends putting pressure on her, and it was very unpleasant for her. Mr. LIEBELER. Did she indicate that she had had any nervous difficulties as a result of this? Mr. GREGORY. No. Mr. LIEBELER. Did you learn at any time from either of the Oswalds that Marina had gone to the hospital as the result of the pressure that was put upon her by her friends? Mr. GREGORY. No; I did not. Mr. LIEBELER. Did she mention to you, or either of them mention to you, that Marina went to Kharkov on a vacation at one time? Mr. GREGORY. No; I asked them about travel that each of them had done in the Soviet Union, and the only other place that they mentioned as having been, or one of them as having been, was Leningrad, which was the city where Marina received her training as a pharmacist. And I don't know if Lee had gone to Leningrad or not. Of course, Lee would always tell me about his trips to Moscow and his trips to the mausoleum, and going to all the museums and factories. He seemed to speak as if he were a regular tourist then, because they assigned him an interpreter, and evidently he paid the regular tourist fee. Mr. LIEBELER. Did he tell you when this was? Mr. GREGORY. No; he may have told me. I am sure it was in winter, because he said--no, I am not sure. Put this down as something I don't remember well, but I think that he said that it was cold and that the Russians let him get up to the first line because he was an American. It could have been someone else, because I have had several friends that--I can't remember if that was Lee or not.