Mr. GREGORY. Usually present. In fact, he was always there. The first time I was ever over was the time that he was away somewhere, and he came back, say, 10 minutes after the lesson started. Mr. LIEBELER. That was the time he had been to TCU? Mr. GREGORY. Yes. Mr. LIEBELER. Did you ever hear of any attempt on Oswald's part to commit suicide? Mr. GREGORY. No. Mr. LIEBELER. The same question as to Marina? Mr. GREGORY. No. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you know James Martin? Mr. GREGORY. No. Mr. LIEBELER. You never met James Martin at any time? Mr. GREGORY. No. Mr. LIEBELER. Did you meet him in Oklahoma? Mr. GREGORY. No; I never met him in Oklahoma. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you know anyone by the name of James Martin? Mr. GREGORY. The only persons I ever met in Lee's presence are his brother, and Thanksgiving when I went to pick him up there was another half brother and his wife. Mr. LIEBELER. The name was Pic, was it not? Mr. GREGORY. Yes. I learned that after the assassination. Mr. LIEBELER. After the assassination did you learn that there was a man by the name of James Martin who became Marina's business manager? Mr. GREGORY. I believe I read the name in the paper. Mr. LIEBELER. But you never met him either in Fort Worth or Norman or any other place? Mr. GREGORY. Never heard of him. Mr. LIEBELER. Just never met him--any individual, who appeared to be Marina's business agent, whether or not his name was James Martin or anything else? Mr. GREGORY. No. Mr. LIEBELER. Did you have any conversation with Lee or Marina about Marguerite Oswald? Mr. GREGORY. No. He never mentioned the fact that he even had a mother. Mr. LIEBELER. Did you ever observe Lee Oswald driving an automobile? Mr. GREGORY. No. I asked him if he could drive. He said, "Yes." But if we ever went anywhere, I drove. Mr. LIEBELER. Do you remember anything more about that? Was that just a simple statement? Mr. GREGORY. I just simply said, "Do you know how to drive?" And he said, "Yes." Mr. LIEBELER. When did you ask him that? Mr. GREGORY. I don't remember whether we were going out to some grocery store or something like that. Mr. LIEBELER. But you never saw him drive a car? Mr. GREGORY. No. He would walk great distances without thinking about it. I mean, what is in our estimation a great distance. And then he rode the bus quite a bit. But I never saw him drive a car or heard of him driving a car. Mr. LIEBELER. Were you surprised when you learned that Oswald had been arrested in connection with the assassination? Mr. GREGORY. Very. Mr. LIEBELER. Would you tell us something about your state of mind at that time?